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Greed1914
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Watanabe mode for Ghost of Yotei is a pretty simple inclusion, but man does it hit the right part of my brain to be genuinely exciting. Overall, Yotei is looking very good. I'll admit, the weapon switching thing comes off as kind of odd, even though the player pulling weapons out of nowhere is nothing new to video games. Conceptually, it's Yotei's version of the stances from Tsushima with each being better against certain enemies, but with the stances, Jin was switching how he moved and held his sword, which is more believable mid-battle. But, I think I'll get used to it since it looks like the bosses can do it too, so it doesn't come off as some super ability only available to the player.
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FishLion
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Glad to see you address the payment processor restriction story. A lot of things get called censorship in the modern day, but if anything is censorship outside of laws restricting certain content for publication or broadcast it's monopolistic control over the flow of money and what is allowed to be paid for.
What really kills me is how niche these things are. You have to opt-in to see the porn on steam, but it is very popular so while it's stupid and I hate it for the reasons you mentioned I can at least understand why people might be pissed to know their kid downloaded Steam to the family computer and enabled adult content, not that that means it's right to be taken down of course. The rest of them just seem like attacks though, I for the life of me can't comprehend why people care about niche Japanese porn sites are selling niche porn that is a bit extreme. Most of that stuff still isn't half as vile as what people do to each other in Game of Thrones but just because someone doesn't couch their porn in layers of prestige television and fantasy writing suddenly it's a big problem that some content has stuff like incest in it. For those unaware, most people like that kind of stuff because it is wrong, the same reason people enjoy the violence and sex in Game of Thrones. I'm very aware of how different the context is and that is why people view porn as worse somehow, but it will never stop being ironic to me that everyone was salivating over how brutal Game of Thrones is but we still have people being judgmental over what porn others consume. |
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SciasSlash
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'Broken legs are such complicated injuries for horses that recovery cannot be guaranteed, which... justifies euthanasia in the eyes of the owners, I guess'
Horses aren't like human beings. Even if they 'recover,' they'll almost certainly deal with constant pain and be unable to move. The euthaniasia was completely justified. The actual question to ask is about putting animals through a sport that can result in those kinds of injuries. |
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New World Fool
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Game of Thrones aged up it's characters specifically to avoid situations like that. Just like every on-screen adaption of Stephen King's It completely omits the orgy scene from the book. As it turns out not a lot of people like children having sex and find it a bad thing to be associated with. Even if it's not full loli/shota content you got all the people who get upset every time a shounen manga has a fanservice scene of a teenage girl like when people lost their mind when Hori drew Hagakure in a sports bra a few months ago and led to a a bunch of people redesigning her hero outfit to not be "gross". People are incredibly prude. There's nothing automatically wrong with not liking sex or this kind of stuff but a lot of people just can't accept it existing and feel the moral and good thing is to get rid of it. People might find it hard to imagine but I'm sure there's something everyone has at one point felt was morally wrong and the world would be better without. |
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Acid Storm
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This might be a controversial thing to say but people should be against censorship strictly because it's bad, not because it could affect their queer/LGBT stuff. It's very annoying to see these topics being framed as LGBT people being the real victims or true targets. Undertale is not in danger and it's borderline fearmongering and misinformation to try to frame this as that is the true end goal in all this. It's very clearly about explicit pornography involving incest, rape, minors, or all three.
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Joe Mello
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I know the joke you're telling, but I wanted to say that it would be historically accurate, at least if we're talking about film history and anthropology
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myskaros
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As someone who works for a light novel/manga publisher and has seen the hundreds/thousands of Amazon Kindle "reports" sent against our books ("the cover portrays a sexualized underage girl" when it's literally an anime girl in a uniform without much skin exposure), it is not only about explicit content, it really is about people who don't like a thing and are trying to remove everyone's access to that thing. |
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Beatdigga
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When it comes to censorship and our opposition to it, I truly believe we must all be united in common purpose. There is no nitpicking something you don’t like being Ok to censor because people will inevitably use that to go after something else. If you go out of your way to attack something for existing, you are not the good guy.
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AiddonValentine
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Not surprising Nintendo is going with a Donkey Kong movie after how much the Kongs were in the Mario movie. I expect there will be a lot of banana jokes.
As someone who is a longtime horror fan, miss me with this. It's never just about porn, it's about people trying to keep subject matter they don't like from being discussed. The reason things like the Hays Code and the Comics Code Authority cropped up was mostly to tamp down on cinema that was pushing boundaries and asking serious questions. The CCA meant black characters were whitewashed. Horror comics were annihilated because of it. And video games contended with this with how much they were forced to censor anything religious and a lot of games didn't make it outside Japan because they didn't trust the government not to go haywire over it. It's never done in good faith |
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FishLion
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My point with Game of Thrones was incest specific because there is incest in it but since it's for a show that's supposed to be brutal nobody flinches and it is a sensation. Meanwhile, somebody put incest into porn and suddenly it a is moral failing because how could anyone ever enjoy anything that wrong??? If it wasn't wrong to exploit incest for drama in GoT then it isn't wrong to make porn on similar topics, it's understandable how it might rub people the wrong way because it is meant for pleasure and not to tell the audience how terrible it is but we can't say HBO exploiting incest for drama is somehow fine while people also go after niche Japanese sites for having other content that uses similar exploitation differently. To be fair, these people also probably hated GoT and would want it off the air too, but just realize that is impossible and they want something they can managably cause harm to like niche Japanese porn sites, despite that knowledge I just still get bothered how so many people accept violence and other extreme content in "prestige" media situations but are judgmental of sexual content and automatically assume it is a moral failing that harms society. @Acid Storm There is a concerted effort to label LGBT content porn. Some people try to claim that "this is just extreme porn, it's good if extreme porn is gone" and those people are pretty generally completely unaware of stuff like Florida trying to label LGBT media "without artistic or cultural value" so they can ban it as obscenity. I do agree that people should not be for censoring any type of work, but informing people of schemes to ban non-pornographic works as pornography is important to showing people the slippery slope of how quickly censorship can affect things you don't expect and tells people why they should care about the issue even if they don't like pornography. For example, @myskaros pointed out how quick people are to report content, if people think a girl in a school uniform with no skin showing is sexual, than all anime and manga fans should be worried about this censorship and not just porn consumers because many will clearly try and use "porn bans" to ban other stuff. The example given was about LGBT people, but that is also the group most consistently targeted for ban due to being pornographic despite having no sexual content as mentioned with real life examples above.
Nowhere did he say that LGBT people are the "true targets" or that we don't need to care about porn, just that LGBT content does get targeted for banning under pornography rules (which is factually true) and that even if you don't care about porn you should care about this because of that. |
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Zimmer
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Nekbone
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Fire Emblem has had a notorious history with censorship ever since Awakening came out. Fans have worked tirelessly to remedy that with uncensor patches, re-translations, and other methods so people can experience these games uncensored. If it took until the thought of a same-sex pairing in the game causing the game to be pulled from the eShop to care about censorship then all I can say is... welcome aboard. We've been here for around 14 years already but it's nice you could finally join us
On a more general discussion as nice is it is to tell people to stand up for censorship even if it's stuff you don't like it rarely works because no one genuinely means it including most people who say that themselves. It'll always take something they care about for them to get involved. And chances are they'll just go back to not caring again once the threat passes. For Steam specifically: it's hard to tell what's about payment processors and what's about the people there who just hate anime and Japanese games in general since they've been blocking and delisting anime games for years now. Steam has always been a terrible place for visual novels so your best bet has always been getting them elsewhere if you can. |
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FishLion
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Guys you won't believe this, do y'all remember me complaining about NCOSE pressuring VISA to take responsibility for illegal content on PornHub? When I said that them getting VISA to take responsibility was to purposefully make VISA scared of working with adult content and cause a chilling effect and that such groups would continue pressuring VISA to drop more content which is likely why so many Japanese sites were having their payment processing threatened?
I still don't know for sure if that was the cause of Japanese sites' problems, but NCOSE is one of the groups that took responsibility for the Steam changes. So at least on the American end we have proof that these sorts of things are pushed by groups like NCOSE. It is a concerted effort by an anti-porn anti-gay group that rebranded to being about exploitation in 2015 to stop these things and not VISA hedging bets internally without outside pressure. |
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FinalVentCard
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That's not something I considered, so I appreciate the input. It's my understanding that the skeletal structure of a horse's leg is more along the lines of a very, very long finger than an actual leg (which has caused me for years to see horses as big, fat creatures lumbering along on tiny hands with one finger each). Tendons and ligaments, especially on a structure that big, don't heal very easily; I can relate, since my right arm definitely has a harder time with rotating to certain degrees following my accident a few years ago.
Here's why Fire Emblem's vagina bones don't apply to this example: Nintendo made those changes on their own. That's not "censorship," that's just the creator of a thing deciding how they want their own creation to be presented to their audience. Nintendo made Fire Emblem, it'd be weirder if they didn't get to have the last say on it. You can dislike changes like Kamui going "Rawr! That means I love you in dragon!" or that weird face-petting mechanic, but the decision to do all of that was Nintendo's. It's no more "censorship" than Blade Runner's theatrical cut was "censored" for changing the ending. Like, you could have gone with Nintendo changing the color of blood in Ocarina of Time because they wanted to comply with ratings standards in the 1990s, or the middle-eastern versions of Digimon replacing the entire concept of Digivolution with the super-complicated notion that every Digimon has "big brothers" in a secret base off-screen that they can swap places with at any moment (because, y'know, evolution is a hot-button issue). Sometimes, a creator's vision for something differs from what the audience wants. You can disagree with it, but ultimately it's not your call to make. Hell, the battle between Prince fans and Prince himself for never wanting his music on streaming was well-noted. Welcome to the media appreciation club. |
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Shenl742
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Yeah you're pretty much going to need to come to the realization that the people behind the thing you like may not look at it with the same level of sanctity you do, and they may be willing to compromise a bit to get it out there
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