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Zhou-BR
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So I take it that when Nozomi included CPM's extras in their remastered Utena sets, they simply didn't ask anyone's permission (other than the show's licensors', of course) and assumed no one would bother them about it?
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PurpleWarrior13
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Very interesting column.
Yeah, Nozomi included pretty much ALL of CPM's Utena extras like the commentaries, "behind the scenes" of the English-recording, and English cast interviews. They might've reverted back to the Japanese licensors, who approved of them (Kunihiko Ikuhara was involved with some of them...). Who knows? As for the broadcast situation, there have been cases of TV networks partnering up with the Japanese and American licensors, but the only ones I can think of are Pokemon, Bakugan, and Beyblade... Pokemon is unquestionably the biggest anime TV hit, but Dragon Ball Z, Digimon, Sailor Moon, Naruto, and Yu-Gi-Oh! are pretty darn close. On the adult side, Cowboy Bebop, Fullmetal Alchemist, Inuyasha, The Big O, and FLCL are right there on top IIRC. They all lasted a long time on their networks and brought in great ratings. One episode of DBZ brought in FOUR MILLION VIEWERS, and I remember seeing gummies, stickers, action figures, activity books, trading cards, birthday party supplies, and costumes for DBZ as well (also, everyone at my school was either into it or knew about it). The show was friggin huge. We need another mega-hit like that. |
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YamadaKun
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@PurpleWarrior Don't forget Gundam Wing(which outperfomed DBZ most of the time), G Gundam YYH, Kenshin and DBGT. Those all got massive ratings. G Gundam got a 1.9 or a 2.0 in the EVENING and YYH got like a 2.1 or something during the EVENING as well. Endless Waltz had more viewers than ANY Toonami show, bar the 1st Funimation in house dubbed episode of DBZ. Also, Purple sir, do you know the Pokemon ratings/VHS/DVD sales? Please show them to me, if you have data. Also, I know Pokemon was bigger in the US than DBZ. The first movie earned double what it did in Japan. The second movie's gross comparable to its Japan gross. The third movie slightly made back the budget. Also, I believe the games do comparably, if not better than they do in Japan in the US.
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Hardgear
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Oh yeah, I can imagine how fun it must be licensing ANYTHING from "production committees" where the license to every single little asinine thing is owned by a different company who may or may not be willing to be reasonable.
Much respect to the US companies for being able to deal with that. |
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KoujiTamino
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This company over here owns the rights to the Opening Theme, these guys have the extras; one company owns season 1 and another lays claim to season 2. The DVD-only episodes? You'll have to speak to these gentlemen over here. ...Oh, by the way, this seiyuu's representatives don't approve of his or her vocal performance being used outside of Japan. Have fun working with them. 
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belvadeer
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A typical roadblock in today's TV networking.
This is the very definition of unreasonable and ridiculous. It's basically the equivalent of a little kid saying something is his and he won't give it up no matter what. |
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Tris8
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Wow, this Hey Answerman was fascinating. I love learning about licensing. But who the heck's idea was it to try to sell rights to box art and such things without the actual show?
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Mr. Oshawott
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In some of the English versions of anime shows that I've watched (MGL Nanoha, Naruto [Season 2 and beyond], etc.), I only see only the Japanese text of the credits on both the opening and ending. I wonder why is that? Is there some sort of contractual agreement that forbids their names from being known outside of Japan?
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PurpleWarrior13
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I know Yu Yu Hakusho was big, same with Gundam Wing (while it was on at least), and DBGT was also really popular (it's complete DVD set was still FUNi's #2 release last year), being as popular as DBZ over here. I don't think Rurouni Kenshin was very popular since it didn't finish it's Toonami run. Also, Tenchi Muyo was pretty big here. It's video tapes sold half-a-million copies, and it got good ratings on Cartoon Network as seen in this LA Times article: http://articles.latimes.com/2000/dec/11/entertainment/ca-63895 Ranma 1/2 was also popular on the home video market, and even got one of it's SNES games localized. FUNimation never reveals sales figures, but they said that they sold enough copies of the DBZ Trunks saga to stack to the moon. And the 3 Sailor Moon movies supposedly sold a million copies each (though I'm not sure if that's the DVDs, or the dubbed/subbed VHS tapes). Yeah Pokemon is still probably #1. I don't know it's ratings, but I know according to the Geneon ANNCast, 8-million VHS copies were sold in the first 12 volumes (I'm not sure if that means 8 million were sold if you combined the figures of the first dozen volumes or if they ALL sold 8m EACH). It's movie also debuted at #1, and earned a lot of money here (I remember how huge it was when it came out). The Japanese style of putting out movie after movie for one animated franchise simply doesn't work here, and the Pokemon movies made less and less money until they became direct-to-video features beginning with the 6th movie. The 12th movie was in limited release though a couple years ago. The only other anime franchises that I believe did/do BETTER here than in Japan are Cowboy Bebop, The Big O, FLCL, Trigun, the original FMA (arguably), Baccano, Gundam Wing, Deadman Wonderland, Speed Racer, Macross II, Bubblegum Crisis, and maybe some others. Also, One Piece has replaced DBZ as Toei's big show in Japan, while DBZ is still huge in the rest of the world (where One Piece is only a modest hit). |
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wonderwomanhero
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It seems on most of ADV Films Thinpack DVD sets...the extras from the original discs were not included (i.e. Madlax, which was later rereleased in 2009, again with no extras, Angelic Layer, Azumanga Daioh, which didn't even include that short movie, etc)
*clutches Noir thinpak boxset* However in the case of shows like Noir all the extras were included. I haven't purchased the Sentai licensed edition, so I am unsure if there are extras (although I did hear something about there being a separate disc with extras? Probably doesn't have the sock puppet theatre, music videos, etc though) I wonder if the Japanese DVD releases of shows like The Book of Bantorra and Jigoku Shoujo have extras...
Oh yeah that's right! They had the interviews with the english cast which included the rather awkward intros while Sunlit Garden played (like Jimmy Zoppi walking in a park and stopping and starring at the scenery), and the making of the english dub for the movie. |
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DangerMouse
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I'm really enjoying reading you dig into these things. Another great read.
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Jave
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 The less people who actually see and praise those bad dubs the better.. if they want to get into a show, get into it through it's true version.
LOL. Pokemon sells way better in Japan than America. And America has like 3.5 times the population Japan does and it still can't outsell Japanese sales for the games.  The fact a country with such a small population sells more than America is proof of the franchise popularity in Japan.
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ActionJacksin
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I'm pretty sure most people who got into anime via an edited broadcast version were able to eventually figure out that they were not getting a show in its authentic presentation. If anything, most would agree that anime on TV at least serves (or rather served) as a stepping stone into gaining interest in the medium. |
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rinmackie
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Also, most anime dubs are much better now and only lightly edited, if at all.
Except for shows aimed at kids. And, 1995 called. They want their anti anime on US tv argument back. |
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Haterater
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One of my personal pet peeves. I just don't understand why they wouldn't want to license out their vocal performance, as I'm sure more exposure would lead to people becoming their fans/fans wanting to buy their product. Just letting their works stay in Japan is missing a good opportunity and gets people upset at their local distributer. As for anime on TV, I wish more would give it a chance. Maybe a compromise of sorts with the anime makers to license it out cheaply. |
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