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Pepperidge
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:14 am |
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Why wouldn't they be able to air TV MA programming?
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Kazuki-san
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 1:40 am |
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| nagash wrote: | | I meant that TAN's linear channel, if I heard correctly, is a free channel. If that's true, then they are subject to FCC standards (ratings, etc.), which means they can't show anything and everything.
For instance, they can't show TVMA ratings. I would suspect that they are limited to TV14, but I'm not sure. |
TAN's linear channel is not free. Other than broadcast channels, there is no such thing as a free channel. If you are referring to whether it is a premium subscription channel, I do not believe it is. Being a non-broadcast channel, TAN is subject to very different rules than the FFC Broadcast Standards. Basically they can air whatever they want on it. TV-MA can be aired on a cable channel (see Comedy Central) If they wanted to air all Hentai (or anything else adult oriented), they could, but according to the FCC Cable Standards, the channel would then have to be scrambled from people who did not subscribe to it, which would effectively convert it to a premium channel.
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Emperor
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:21 pm |
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Probably only HBO, Showtime or
other premium or pay-per-view.
Although, some pointed out maybe Spike TV, Comedy Central...who knows maybe G4 Tech TV since they air anime late night...but I doubt it.
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Tony K.
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 3:37 pm |
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| Pepperidge wrote: | | Why wouldn't they be able to air TV MA programming? |
Actually, I believe ESPN showed some TV-MA stuff a couple of times. There was that Bob Knight movie "Season on the Brink," and of course the really great football drama, "Playmakers."
And if I'm not mistaken, each of these broadcasts did use the "f-word" plenty of times.
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Alchemist449
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Location: LED ZEPPELIN! nuf said
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Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 7:57 pm |
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Even broadcast stations can occasionaly get away with MA ratings in some cases, ABC is running Saving Private Ryan on Thurs. and it has an MA rating.
My 100th post!
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nagash
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:48 am |
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Generally speaking, a non-premium channel is still called a free channel, where the premium channel is called a pay channel.
The FCC still has cable standards. If a cable company has to do x to air something, then that, in my book, means the FCC determines what that station can show. You make that determination when you file for your license, if I'm not mistaken. TAN is not a pay channel, so they can, at best, be a TV-14 channel. Does this mean they can't show an MA title? No, they can, but it would more than likely be limited to late night shows. Even then, there are limits.
For example: Saving Private Ryan, as mentioned, is going to be on television during primetime. What doesn't Saving Private Ryan have? There's no sex, nudity, etc., just violence. And maybe a bad word here and there. You can get away with violence. It's the sex and nudity that get people upset.
To put it in another perspective; if Chobits were live-action, could it air on free t.v. stations (this includes the cable channels)? No, it couldn't. Too much fanservice.
I would love to see Ranma, Maison Ikkoku, Chobits, Devilman, Najica, Noir, Evangelion, etc., all unedited, all on between 6 - 11, and on a normal channel. Can Tan get away with it? They might. They are a specialized network aiming for a niche market and they can push the case that that type of material is what their audience wants, but I don't know if that will be enough.
Either way, we don't get Tan's linear channel in Boston :cry:
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Kazuki-san
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:00 am |
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| nagash wrote: | |
The FCC still has cable standards. If a cable company has to do x to air something, then that, in my book, means the FCC determines what that station can show. |
| FCC Cable Television Factsheet wrote: | |
Program Content Regulations
Cable television system operators generally make their own selection of channels and programs to be distributed to subscribers in response to consumer demands. The Commission does, however, have rules in some areas that are applicable to programming -- called "origination cablecasting" that is subject to the editorial control of the system operator. The rules generally do not apply to the contents of broadcast signals or access channels over which the system operator has no editorial control.
Cable subscribers may request a "lockbox" from cable operators to prevent viewing of any channel on which objectional programming may appear. Cable operators are required to make lockboxes available for sale or lease to customers who request them. Lockboxes can also be purchased from other commercial distributors.
The 1996 Act included several provisions that were designed to increase the subscriber's ability to control the programming coming into the home. Section 551 of the 1996 Act required representatives of the broadcast and cable television industries to develop, within one year after enactment of the 1996 Act, voluntary rules to rate programming that contains violence and sexual or other indecent material. The industry proposed the TV Parental Guidelines and the proposal was approved by the Commission on March 12, 1998. The TV Parental Guidelines (labels and content indicators and respective meanings) are:
TV-Y -- This program is designed to be appropriate for all children.
TV-Y7 -- This program is designed for children age 7 and above. Note: For those programs where fantasy violence may be more intense or more combative than other programs in this category, such programs will be designated TV-Y7-FV.
TV-G -- Most parents would find this program suitable for all ages.
TV-PG -- This program contains some material that parents may find unsuitable for younger children. The program contains one or more of the following: moderate violence (V), some sexual situations (S), infrequent coarse language (L), or some suggestive dialogue (D).
TV-14 -- This program contains some material that many parents would find unsuitable for children under 14 years of age. This program contains one or more of the following: intense violence (V), intense sexual situations (S), strong coarse language (L), or intensely suggestive dialogue (D).
TV-MA -- This program is specifically designed to be viewed by adults and therefore may be unsuitable for children under 17. This program contains one or more of the following: graphic violence (V), explicit sexual activity (S), or crude indecent language (L).
The ratings icons and associated symbols appear for 15 seconds at the beginning of all rated programming. Sports, news, commercials, promotions and unedited movies with a Motion Picture Association of America rating that are aired on premium cable channels are exempt from these ratings.
The 1996 Act also required that television receivers manufactured or imported for use in the United States be equipped with circuitry that is capable of identifying all programs with a common rating and blocking individual channels during selected time periods. This is the circuitry commonly referred to as the "V-chip." This requirement applies to all television sets with a least a 13 inch screen. Manufacturers of such equipment were required to include a v-chip on at least 50% of their products by July 1, 1999 and on the remaining 50% by January 1, 2000. The Commission also required that personal computers that include a television tuner and a 13 inch or larger monitor must also include the v-chip. However, the requirement to rate programming applies only to video transmissions that are delivered to the computer by using the television tuner. Video transmissions delivered over the Internet or via computer networks are not required to be rated.
Section 504 of the 1996 Act required a cable operator to fully scramble or block the audio and video portions of programming services not specifically subscribed to by a household. The cable operator must fully scramble or block the programming in question upon the request of the subscriber and at no charge to the subscriber. In addition, Section 505 states that cable operators or other multichannel video programming distributors who offer sexually explicit programming or other programming that is indecent on any channel(s) primarily dedicated to sexually-oriented programming must fully scramble or block both the audio and video portions of the channels so that someone who does not subscribe to the channel does not receive it. Until a multichannel video distributor complies with this provision, the distributor cannot provide the programming during hours when a significant number of children are likely to view it.
On March 4, 1996, the Commission adopted an Order and Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (FCC 96-84) establishing interim rules to implement Section 505 of the 1996 Act. The interim rules established the hours of 6:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. as those hours when a significant number of children are likely to have access to and view the programming. However, before the rules could take effect, Section 505 was challenged in the courts and the Commission was subsequently prevented from enforcing the rules because of a temporary restraining order and a number of stays granted by the United States District Court for the District of Delaware. On March 24, 1997, the United States Supreme Court affirmed the District Court's decision to deny the request for a preliminary injunction of section 505. Thus, on April 17, 1997, the Commission adopted an Order establishing May 18, 1997 as the effective date of our rules implementing section 505. However, on December 28, 1998, a federal court in Delaware issued a decision (Playboy Entertainment Group v. U.S.) which determined that Section 505 is unconstitutional. Therefore, the Commission's rules based on Section 505 could not be enforced. An appeal of this decision was filed with the U.S. Supreme Court. On May 22, 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court also determined that Section 505 is unconstitutional. Thus, the Commission’s rules implementing Section 505 cannot be enforced. However, persons who wish to prevent the viewing of such programming may do so by obtaining a “lockbox” or by exercising the options provided in Section 504 of the 1996 Act.
Finally, Section 506 of the 1996 Cable Act allows cable operators to refuse to transmit any public access or leased access program which contains obscenity, indecency, or nudity. On June 28, 1996, the U.S. Supreme Court issued a decision (Denver Area Educational Telecommunications Consortium, Inc. v. FCC) which held that cable operators may decline to carry indecent programming on leased access channels, but cannot exercise the same control over programming on public access channels. |
Generally speaking, censoring of programming that occurs is merely done by a station to ensure a loss of sponsors does not occur, or to comply with standards set by the cable provider. Of course anything that is on broadcast TV, or media related, or subject to much more stringent rules.
Also, they are not called "free" channels, they are merely basic cable. You have Basic and Premium. Broadcast (local channels) come under FCC Broadcast rules, cable channels do not, with the exception of media coverage.
BTW nudity can be aired on Basic cable. Look no further than the discovery channel for that. What can't be aired is graphic depictions of sexual conduct (i.e. adult videos, of which Hentai would fall under)
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joshhhhh
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Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:10 pm |
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i heard ImagiAsian TV was considering showing softcore hentai on there, but that was a rumor from about 6 months ago and I haven't heard about it since then.
Anybody here actually get ImagiAsian?
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nagash
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Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:13 am |
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Yes, you can show nudity on normal television, but only in a scientific sense.
As far as the term free goes, it's an expression. That's what I call them, even though I know how the cable companies charge you for them.
I still do not believe that TAN will go all out with any hentai programming. Will they show nudity? Probably yes, but not if shows up through the entire series or episode.
Are they showing Najica? What about Devil Hunter Yohko? Devilman? Would they go all out and show Apocalypse of Devilman?
My idea of a true anime channel is to show anything, anytime. I have yet to see a free channel, or if you like, a basic channel, do that. Only pay channels can get away with it without any problems, and even they follow rules on when to air something. I even remember when they wouldn't show anything rated R before 8 p.m.
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