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MFrontier



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PostPosted: Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:17 pm Reply with quote
Saber's a bad guy again?
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Vaisaga



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:20 am Reply with quote
MFrontier wrote:
Saber's a bad guy again?


Not quite. spoiler[This 'Saber' is actually a Lancer. An alternate version of Arturia where she's uses her holy Lance instead of Excalibur. The Lance doesn't have an anti-aging effect so she has an adult body.]
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:45 am Reply with quote
It's a little more complicated than that. I would highly recommend watching the movie before spoiling yourself, the Camelot story was a monumental leap above everything else in F/GO to that point in terms of storytelling quality, but in case you want to know some of the details now:

1. spoiler[This "Saber" is actually a Lancer; she's an older and more mature iteration of Arturia, a "what-if" version where, instead of taking up Excalibur, which halted her aging, she took up the divine spear Rhongomyniad and kept aging as normal. (It could be argued that this is just an in-universe excuse to make an Arturia with breasts as big as her head and the real reason she exists is because Nasu/Takeuchi knew horny whales would pay out the nose for such a thing, but it's the explanation we were given.)]
2. spoiler[Wielding Rhongomyniad for long enough has come to her being more or less possessed by the goddess Rhongomyniad. It's questionable how much the Lion King is Adult Arturia and how much the Lion King is Rhongomyniad at any given time. Perhaps they are one and the same at all times and have been for some unknown length of time before the events of Camelot; it's been a while since I played through Camelot so I don't remember all of the minutae.]
3. spoiler[She actually believes she is doing the right thing for the people of Camelot, as opposed to the Grail-infected Saber Alter from Heaven's Feel.]

EDIT: In checking over the voice cast (and good Lord, what an All-Star voice cast it is), I am reminded that the true villain of the Camelot movies is going to be whoever chose to not include Hassan of the Hundred Personas. She was right there along with Cursed Arm the entire time and was present for much longer than Serenity, and if she gets written out entirely after the game's plot gave her a chance to be redeemed from her ignominious exit from the Fate/Zero Grail War, I will be deeply offended on her behalf.
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FilthyCasual



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:49 am Reply with quote
Serenity is cuter though and thus infinitely more important.

Anyways pour one out for Unlimited Rice Works.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:25 am Reply with quote
They are both very good in their own ways!

Also I swear Vaisaga's post wasn't there when I posted. I have no idea how I missed it.
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KefkaesqueXIII



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:18 pm Reply with quote
A correction to both Vaisaga and Kilgamayan:

spoiler[You are confusing the Lion King with the sumonable version of Lancer Artoria. The Lion King's timeline played out almost exactly the same way regular Artoria's did, with her only picking up Rhongmyniad for the Battle of Camlann.

The difference comes when the Lion King's Bedivere refuses to return Excalibur to the lake as ordered for a 3rd time, which somehow prevents the Lion King from truly dying as she was supposed to and instead causes her to become a wondering ghost for for 1500 years, all the while being slowly transformed by the holy lance she still carried.]
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Vaisaga



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2020 12:42 pm Reply with quote
Kilgamayan wrote:
They are both very good in their own ways!

Also I swear Vaisaga's post wasn't there when I posted. I have no idea how I missed it.


I'm on permanent moderation so my posts need to be approved before they appear. Sometimes it takes a while.
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