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kyokun703



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 10:31 am Reply with quote
I can certainly understand why people do not like/veer away from sports anime. I did myself. I was a person who was never good at sports, picked last for teams, and just find most sports on TV boring (unless I'm in a pool), or maybe the occasional basketball game or the Superbowl. I had absolutely no interest in sports anime.

However, I say give everything a chance, since due to repeat recommendations of things I ended up watching Hajime no Ippo/Fighting Spirit (boxing, and the LAST sport I would EVER be interested in) and Princess Nine, and I ended up loving both, with Hajime no Ippo ending up in my top 5 anime. Now I'm really looking forward to Big Windup coming out soon from Funi.

Re: previews, I'm bummed that so far the only reviewer to watch Ristorante Paradiso gave it a so-so review. I'll watch Basquash and Sengoku Basara when I get home today; pretty stoked about those. I'd also like to watch Cross Game because of the excellent reviews.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:30 am Reply with quote
kyokun703 wrote:
I can certainly understand why people do not like/veer away from sports anime. I did myself. I was a person who was never good at sports, picked last for teams, and just find most sports on TV boring (unless I'm in a pool), or maybe the occasional basketball game or the Superbowl. I had absolutely no interest in sports anime.
Since you can still find yourself liking sports anime like Fighting Spirit and Princess Nine, you are capable of understanding and appreciating the purity of sport on a personal level. Unfortunately, that's not what most professional sports like NFL, NBA, MLB, UFC, and NHL are about these days. To them, professional sports are just the mediums for them to promote their franchises, just like how Japanese corporate distributors are using anime to promote their merchandises. I actually gain more respect on golf as a professional sport by watching the PGA on TV as of late, and I used to despise golf.
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divinemango



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Generic sports series are plagued with clichés. This gives sports series a bad reputation in general.
Usually it's the characters that we care about, not the sports itself. So if Adachi could still write a wonderful story without using sports as a plot device at all, perhaps a lot of people wouldn't be turned off that easily. But since his manga is selling well, I doubt that will happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:47 am Reply with quote
since when has Zac Bertschy been allowed to review anime, much less own a computer and access the internet?

Just wondering cause i always thought that reviewers had to be qualified to do so, not just some joe off the corner.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 11:57 am Reply with quote
Ah... Kyomagi, wonderful position you placed yourself in.

Anyway, I finished watching Ristorante Paradiso, Shangri-La, and Saki on Crunchyroll (I still have no idea where I can find Cross Game).

Did anyone else get Ouran High School Host Club vibes from Ristorante Paradiso, except that the characters are more older this time? It was very charming...

Shangri-La and Saki were a bunch of fun, although both were confusing at times. Shangri-La for its carbon tax and negotions, and Saki for mahjong. I'm going to follow Shangri-La more closely, though. "MEN!"

Also, I haven't really seen that many sports anime, but I think I might like them. I don't like watching sports, but that's because I don't exactly see or feel the adrenaline that the people are having. Gah. That sounds stupid... Well, I like the omniscient view present in sports movies/shows/anime where you can hear their thoughts, and I like actually playing the sport. Sometimes, movies and shows don't work for me either... *sigh* I guess it depends on my taste.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:01 pm Reply with quote
kyomagi wrote:
since when has Zac Bertschy been allowed to review anime, much less own a computer and access the internet?

Just wondering cause i always thought that reviewers had to be qualified to do so, not just some joe off the corner.
The same freedom of speech that we all have, which allows us to express our honest opinions on just about anything in open public. It's in the constitutions known as the First Amendment, you silly. Wink
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I'm going to follow Shangri-La more closely, though. "MEN!"
There's nothing quite like the guilty pleasure of openly expressing one's sexual preference. Laughing Which is also why I'll be watching this anime closely, if nothing else. Rolling Eyes

"WOMEN!" Anime exclamation
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Zac
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:15 pm Reply with quote
kyomagi wrote:
since when has Zac Bertschy been allowed to review anime, much less own a computer and access the internet?

Just wondering cause i always thought that reviewers had to be qualified to do so, not just some joe off the corner.


I don't know, since when were you allowed to post in my forums?

I'll fix that little problem!
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kadian1364



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Karisu wrote:
@kadian1364

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I'm of the understanding that for many, playing sports was a normal part of growing up. That discipline, work ethic, teamwork, emotional escape, friendship, courage, and personal growth are some of the things people find in these things called sports. For a lot of people, a sports story done right can mean much more than "just a game".


Yes, but there are a ton of people who had the exact opposite experience with sports. The humiliation, the mocking for trying, the lack of team support, the emotional trauma, finding out just how evil other children can be to you, and personal mental anguish/anxiety that ended up carrying with you into adulthood. You may have been one of those jocks who was on the football team and got the cheerleaders, but you seem to forget about the other side of that spectrum.


I'm going to go on a bit of a rant, so ignore this deluded kook on his soapbox if you want.

To first clear any misconceptions people might have about me, I've never played competitive football, I never even (knowingly) approached a cheerleader. I wasn't particularly talented at any sport, or was the popular type, though I hold no disdain for those who were. But lack of natural talent or skill didn't prevent me from taking away valuable life lessons from it, playing sports that is.

Humiliation, trauma, distrust of those that support you, all these things happen in every arena of life. So what are you gonna do about it? Constantly avoid every last form of competition that might arise? Hide from all the challenges life confronts you with, just to deflect conflict or pain? Life is about experiencing pain. Life is about working hard for the things you want, despite that pain.

If there's one lesson above all that sports teaches is that, when your abilities are most lacking, when you are ousted at every turn by an opponent of superior strength, skill, and knowledge, and any hope of success you may have harbored is stripped from you, there will still be something left in you. Something that has always been there, and will always be there as long as you are human, and that is, the will to fight. To never give up, to spend yourself, to exhaust yourself in a cause. That is something only you control, and can be taken by no one, not even yourself. "Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed, but not defeated."

What makes sports such a great teaching tool is precisely because it is just a game. One can practice working hard, exercise their will to fight on when nothing more is at stake besides the game's outcome. So that one day, when a real challenge comes, you don't just run away or accept failure, but respond with the earnest effort and determination of an indomitable will.

So again, I am disappointed when people bypass a story about youth and growing up just because it involves sports, because sports is exactly about those things, and a perfect vehicle from which to tell such a story.
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Karisu



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 12:54 pm Reply with quote
kadian1364 wrote:
Karisu wrote:
@kadian1364

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I'm of the understanding that for many, playing sports was a normal part of growing up. That discipline, work ethic, teamwork, emotional escape, friendship, courage, and personal growth are some of the things people find in these things called sports. For a lot of people, a sports story done right can mean much more than "just a game".


Yes, but there are a ton of people who had the exact opposite experience with sports. The humiliation, the mocking for trying, the lack of team support, the emotional trauma, finding out just how evil other children can be to you, and personal mental anguish/anxiety that ended up carrying with you into adulthood. You may have been one of those jocks who was on the football team and got the cheerleaders, but you seem to forget about the other side of that spectrum.


I'm going to go on a bit of a rant, so ignore this deluded kook on his soapbox if you want.

To first clear any misconceptions people might have about me, I've never played competitive football, I never even (knowingly) approached a cheerleader. I wasn't particularly talented at any sport, or was the popular type, though I hold no disdain for those who were. But lack of natural talent or skill didn't prevent me from taking away valuable life lessons from it, playing sports that is.

Humiliation, trauma, distrust of those that support you, all these things happen in every arena of life. So what are you gonna do about it? Constantly avoid every last form of competition that might arise? Hide from all the challenges life confronts you with, just to deflect conflict or pain? Life is about experiencing pain. Life is about working hard for the things you want, despite that pain.

If there's one lesson above all that sports teaches is that, when your abilities are most lacking, when you are ousted at every turn by an opponent of superior strength, skill, and knowledge, and any hope of success you may have harbored is stripped from you, there will still be something left in you. Something that has always been there, and will always be there as long as you are human, and that is, the will to fight. To never give up, to spend yourself, to exhaust yourself in a cause. That is something only you control, and can be taken by no one, not even yourself. "Man is not made for defeat. A man can be destroyed, but not defeated."

What makes sports such a great teaching tool is precisely because it is just a game. One can practice working hard, exercise their will to fight on when nothing more is at stake besides the game's outcome. So that one day, when a real challenge comes, you don't just run away or accept failure, but respond with the earnest effort and determination of an indomitable will.

So again, I am disappointed when people bypass a story about youth and growing up just because it involves sports, because sports is exactly about those things, and a perfect vehicle from which to tell such a story.


I keep finding what you have to say more and more amusing. It's like you keep proving my point, but in reverse. I'm not going to necessarily attribute all of my life's problems to sports, but I'm sure it had large effect. But everything you described about being human is the exact opposite of who I am.

I mean, going by your post, I'm not human at all.

I've experienced more than my fair share of pain in my life, which is exactly why I run away from things at the drop of a hat. All life has taught me is pain, so the only intelligent thing to do is to avoid it all.

I have no desire to "win" at anything anymore. I know that nothing I want to achieve is even possible for me at this point. I have no friends and have never hard a girlfriend (I'm in my late 20's btw), because life has only taught me to avoid such things. I preformed horribly at sports, academics, and anything else life has thrown at me (so no, I'm no "nerd", nerds did well at school, i was more concerned wit getting through the day without being harassed. Hard to learn in that environment), because all life has taught me is that these are things that will only give me pain.

Which brings me to why I love anime and video game. They allow me to experience the life I will never have through their stories. I have a particular aversion to sports because it was one of the earliest life lessons I learned: that it's something that can only bring pain and suffering.

Anyway, I find it amusing how you romanticize such a terrible thing as sports. I mean I get it, life has taught you that they are positive, but life has taught me the opposite lesson.

/end psychiatric rant
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:08 pm Reply with quote
Zac wrote:
kyomagi wrote:
since when has Zac Bertschy been allowed to review anime, much less own a computer and access the internet?

Just wondering cause i always thought that reviewers had to be qualified to do so, not just some joe off the corner.


I don't know, since when were you allowed to post in my forums?

I'll fix that little problem!


Ouch.

Well i do agree with kyo even tho he's banned. How do you get those scores. Thank God the anime metric system has nothing to do with half the reviews on this board, as bad as ign reviews at times.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:21 pm Reply with quote
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Well i do agree with kyo even tho he's banned. How do you get those scores. Thank God the anime metric system has nothing to do with half the reviews on this board, as bad as ign reviews at times.


Maybe he gets them the same way I and the others do: by making a judgment call based on his personal observations of the series?

As for the reviews on this site being bad, I don't always agree with my fellow reviewers but I still respect the work that they do. The average quality of the reviews themselves is higher here than on most other anime reviewing sites I've ever checked out. Just because you sometime vehemently disagree with us doesn't change that.

And Karisu and kadian1364: You're straying off-topic with your rants. Refocus, please!
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kadian1364



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:31 pm Reply with quote
Karisu wrote:
I keep finding what you have to say more and more amusing. It's like you keep proving my point, but in reverse. I'm not going to necessarily attribute all of my life's problems to sports, but I'm sure it had large effect. But everything you described about being human is the exact opposite of who I am.

I mean, going by your post, I'm not human at all.

I've experienced more than my fair share of pain in my life, which is exactly why I run away from things at the drop of a hat. All life has taught me is pain, so the only intelligent thing to do is to avoid it all.

I have no desire to "win" at anything anymore. I know that nothing I want to achieve is even possible for me at this point. I have no friends and have never hard a girlfriend (I'm in my late 20's btw), because life has only taught me to avoid such things. I preformed horribly at sports, academics, and anything else life has thrown at me (so no, I'm no "nerd", nerds did well at school, i was more concerned wit getting through the day without being harassed. Hard to learn in that environment), because all life has taught me is that these are things that will only give me pain.

Which brings me to why I love anime and video game. They allow me to experience the life I will never have through their stories. I have a particular aversion to sports because it was one of the earliest life lessons I learned: that it's something that can only bring pain and suffering.

Anyway, I find it amusing how you romanticize such a terrible thing as sports. I mean I get it, life has taught you that they are positive, but life has taught me the opposite lesson.


Look, it's pretty clear to both of us that we're not going to resolve our differences here, in this way, so I think we should agree to stop. We have our own preferences, and let's leave it at that.

One last thing I want to clear up, as I can no longer tell whether parts of your post are being deadly serious or searingly sarcastic, is that I want you, Karisu, to understand that whenever I said "you" in my previous statement, I didn't specifically mean you, Karisu, but you as a general pronoun for whomever the reader may imagine it to be. In no way was it intended to be some personal attack.

EDIT: Sorry Key! And others.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:43 pm Reply with quote
Karisu wrote:
Which brings me to why I love anime and video game. They allow me to experience the life I will never have through their stories. I have a particular aversion to sports because it was one of the earliest life lessons I learned: that it's something that can only bring pain and suffering.

Anyway, I find it amusing how you romanticize such a terrible thing as sports. I mean I get it, life has taught you that they are positive, but life has taught me the opposite lesson.

/end psychiatric rant
That's not even a psychiatric rant on your part, when all you did was externalizing your angst and anxiety by over-rationalizing your fear of your negative viewpoints on life. In another word, you're just making excuses about you being negative.

Life never taught both kadian1364 and myself beyond what it is, no. For it was through our individual fighting spirits that we taught ourselves how to be positive with our own life. And as if that wasn't enough, we also find inspirations on what it takes to be positive in mangas, anime, video games, and just about any forms of intellectual property out there. But whatever inspirations from your anime and gaming hobby were wasted on you, when all they inspired you to do is running away from your life.
veryn wrote:
Ouch.

Well i do agree with kyo even tho he's banned. How do you get those scores. Thank God the anime metric system has nothing to do with half the reviews on this board, as bad as ign reviews at times.
Well, if you only got problem with the IGN reviewers themselves, then why did you bring it out in the open when they didn't openly criticize on their readers in the first place, only on the games that they reviewed? And besides, this thread is hardly about IGN in the first place, so I don't find your open statement convincing. Now can you see why kyomagi got banned? Learn from it.
kadian1364 wrote:
EDIT: Sorry Key! And others.
Same here. I'm done with the prep talk before I go super robot with all the manliness gets out-of-hands.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:16 pm Reply with quote
veryn wrote:
Ouch.

Well i do agree with kyo even tho he's banned. How do you get those scores. Thank God the anime metric system has nothing to do with half the reviews on this board, as bad as ign reviews at times.

You signed up today just to write this statment? If you don't agree with a lot of the reviews on here and are going to make such a big stink about it, then why do you read them, let alone stay on this site? We've got people taking reviews so seriously on this site, I think the reviews give a guideline about what to expect about something. You don't know what this thing is about, but a review gives you a better idea about what to expect of the show. You may agree with the review once you've seen the show, and you may not. That's what the reviews help you to do.
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About the whole sports deal, I particular never enjoyed watching sports (I don't mind playing them though, as I play basketball with my friends every now and then, and am on a summer softball team) because I don't feel compelled to watch something I have no reason to be attached to. I don't know these people or get any character development, there's no story, very rarely does something funny happen, etc. I'm watching a real-world event, true, but if I want some quality nonfiction time, I'll switch over to the news and at least try to learn something from it.

With sports anime (or sports movies, for that matter), it's a whole different ball game (please excuse the pun). You get to know these players as individuals, watch the story develop, etc. I enjoy sports fiction just like any other fiction. But watching real sports? Meh, if I'm going to basically watch a bunch of small people run around tossing a ball, I'll pop in Madden and at least get to play with someone else.
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