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Lagy Gray
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I no longer need this, so topic is inactive and you don't need to reply/post. but thanks for all your help
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marie-antoinette
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First off, I hate and never use the term "Ameri-manga." One, it sounds dumb. Two, it's very US-centric and not all these works are written/drawn by Americans (the two I've read and enjoyed were both created by Canadians, in fact). I just go with OEL (original English language) manga, which can include anything that was originally created in English.
1. Female, 26. 2. Yes. 3. Yes. 4. I did greatly enjoy two of them, Dramacon and Scott Pilgrim. 5. Yes. My opinion has always been that to me, manga is more of a format than something intrinsically Japanese. I'm happy to use the term OEL manga to be more specific but when it comes down to it, I'll use "manga" to refer to manga, OEL manga, manwha, and any thing else that has the same visual style, re: panels and storytelling principles. |
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Lagy Gray
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Thank you so much for the feedback, this helps alot! 
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DarkRoseFairy
Posts: 271 Location: Alberta, Canada |
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1. Please list your sex and age
Female, 18 2. Are you a manga reader? Yes 3. Have you read any Ameri-manga? (ex. RE Play, Miki Falls, Bizenghast ...) Yes, but Dramacon is the only title I have read so far. 4. If yes, then do you enjoy it? Why or Why not? Yes, I really like the story and the art. 5. Do you consider Ameri-manga to be manga? Why or Why not? I never really like this question, since not everyone ever going to agree on what the defintion of manga is. No, for me I think manga is comics that was first publish in a Japanese magazine that was intended for a Japanese audience(I'm mainly using the definition that the people from the anime world order podcast used). The writer or artist don't have to be japanese; for example Peepo Choo by Felipe Smith is manga, because is was first publish in a japanese magazine.
The problem with that is that not every manga will always have the same use of panels, for example there is four koma manga. That also the same for visual style, not every manga have characters that have big eyes or sweat drops. This make me think of this thread animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=180203. Last edited by DarkRoseFairy on Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:31 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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einhorn303
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1, Male, 23.
2. Yes. 3. Yes. 4. Yes. 5. Yes. "Manga is a Japanese word that means comics." |
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marie-antoinette
Posts: 4136 Location: Ottawa, Canada |
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This is true and in this case, but I don't think there are any OEL manga that do this really. Our equivalent of the four koma manga is something very different. And I don't group things by art style as far as character design and the like because yeah, there is too much variety. But if you place Dramacon beside an example of the "typical" manga (for argument's sake, let's say something like Fruits Basket or Naruto), you can definitely see why I consider them one and the same thing, format-wise. I don't think any OEL manga is trying to really go beyond that. |
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DarkRoseFairy
Posts: 271 Location: Alberta, Canada |
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@marie-antoinette, sorry I misunderstood you, since my definition of manga is different from yours(mainly I don't include the style part in my definition), I don't quite agree but I get what you are saying now.
I want to discuss more about this but since this thread is more for the survey; I leave it another time. |
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littlegreenwolf
 Posts: 4796 Location: Seattle, WA |
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1. Please list your sex and age ( if you don't want to mention your age thats fine, but mentioning your sex would be helpful....but I can't force ya )
Female - 25 2. Are you a manga reader? ( I'm assuming that you are....) Yes 3. Have you read any Ameri-manga? (ex. RE Play, Miki Falls, Bizenghast ...) Umm... I read comics... Bizenghast is a comic I've read, but I don't know what ameri-manga is because I read TONS of western black and white comics, and tons of western color comics - some of those have anime/manga influence, but it doesn't stop them from being called comics, and no one is going around calling them amerimanga unless they're seriously misinformed - or are stuck with some sort of misguided elitist manga attitude that is trying to seperate these comics from other comics, when really there's nothing there to seperate them by. 4. If yes, then do you enjoy it? Why or Why not? I found Bizenghast seriously lacking in good story telling, and consistent art. 5. Do you consider Ameri-manga to be manga? Why or Why not? No... cause manga are just imported Japanese comics. what you're calling Ameri-manga are western comics. Lastly, do you have any other comments you would like to add, ameri-manga suggestions/thoughts, then feel free to let me know I'm an art student, one with full intentions of going into the illustration field, some of which will probably involve some comic book work. Every comic book has their own unique style - be it story telling or art style, be it how the arrange the frames on a comic page, character design, or a number of other small factors. One manga is not exactly the same style as another manga, and one american comic is not exactly the same in style as another. What a lot of manga have in common are similar character design styles - but that's it, and a lot of those vary too. Not all Japanese comics go the traditional anime character design. Does that make them less "manga"? There's plenty of American comics that have been influenced by things such as Akira in the last twenty years - should their styles be considered Ameri-manga because of this influence? But they also take influence from things such as x-men too. The label of "amerimanga" is the most stupid label you can try putting on a comic, and is something you will NEVER hear a professional comic artist use. Just because a comic is black and white does not manga it ameri-manga, or manga influenced, and the same goes with anime-style character designs. Next thing you know you'll be telling me Runaways is Amerimanga. Ameri-manga is a stupid term - you really should stop using it. You can refer to comics as being heavily influenced by Japanese comics, but please, if you're trying to be professional about it, look at it from a professional viewpoint. Ameri-manga doesn't exist. Something that does are comics, and within that are comics influenced by Japanese comics. They're still comics, and chances are that a good half of those "Ameri-manga" titles you're thinking about aren't even American. What if the artist is Canadian. What's next, Cana-manga? No thank you. See - there's something seriously wrong with the label already - it can't be politically correct. |
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Tamaria
 Posts: 1512 Location: De Achterhoek |
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1. 24, female
2. Yes. 3. I've read plenty of non-Japanese comics. I'm sure some of them were were made in America and promoted as (OEL) manga by their publishers. 4. A good comic is a good comic. 5. My definition of manga is: "comics originally published in Japanese for a Japanese audience". I use the word "manga" because it's shorter than "comics originally published in Japanese for a Japanese audience" or "Japanese comics". I'm Dutch and I sometimes call American comics "comics", because it's shorter than "Amerikaanse strips". The English language has a perfectly good word for this medium as a whole and it's "comics". Why not use it? Also, everything that littlegreenwolf said. Seriously. |
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Alan45
 Village Elder Posts: 10371 Location: Virginia |
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1. Male 65
2. Yes, hundreds of volumes. 3. Yes several the big ones are Dramacon and Megatokyo. Most recently Brody's Ghost from Dark Horse. 4. I enjoyed some and did not others. For the same reasons I enjoy any comic. Good artwork and good story and characters. Or not for those I did not care for. 5. This is basically a pointless distinction. While I realize some are promoted as OEL or Ameri Manga, I tend to ignore this. If it looks interesting I pick it up. I don't care what the publisher calls it. I also read some U.S. comics and Korean if in English. A good comic is a good comic in spite of any labels. |
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stuckinfresno
 Posts: 223 Location: Fresno, CA |
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I'll bite.
1. Female - 27 2. Yes 3. Yes. Dramacon, Aoi House, Amazing Agent Luna, Grace, Megatokyo, Hollow Fields, and others I'm forgetting. Would you consider The Dreaming? It is OEL, but the author is Australian (which technically fits your definition). As other people posted, OEL would be a better term. Ameri-manga sound beyond weird. Where'd it even come from? 4. Yes, the plot is interesting, art is good, and the layout isn't clunky. The same preference applies to all comics whether OEL, Manhwa, or Manga. 5. Kinda a moot question for me. I've always been of the school of thought where comics are comics - who cares where the work originates? However, there is quite a bit of culture put into manga that doesn't always translate. Just read the note section from Sayanora Zetsubou Sensei. So to be technical yes they are different. Oh and you really are opening a can of worms with this one. Moreover, your definition is rather difficult. Based on my reading wouldn't it have been easier to say OEL is Original English Language comics influenced by Japanese comics in their style and written by citizens of the United States? However you still have the problem of style. Does that mean art content? the expressions (i.e.  )? panel layout? Anytime you create a survey you really need to think about your terms. Because you can see by the responses that your provided definition is lacking. Just because a definition is provided doesn't mean its good. Generally speaking anything written by any government is intentionally vague.
Also what the survey is for (possibly for your information only)? Don't we have a survey section? |
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TitanXL
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1. 24, Male
2. Yes 3. Yes 4. No.. it's bad. 5. No.. it's not made in Japan. Aping some generic art style doesn't suddenly make your book good.. or Japanese. It's pretty much pandering. If you want to make a comic that has manga influenced art, go ahead. Just don't go around trying to claim it's actual manga. |
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Lagy Gray
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Thank you all for your replies so far, they are very helpful for my project!
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Lagy Gray
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wow, I'm sorry this reply is so late. No,this survey is for a class project and not for me. also im not sure if there is a survey section, I didn't really check to see if there was. so I'm sorry if i posted this in the wrong section. |
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Lightning Leo
Posts: 311 Location: Earth |
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1) Male 27
2) Yes. 3) Yes. 4) Yes. 5) The answer to this question depends on the definition of "manga" we use, which differs from person to person. American "manga" shares similar stylings and storytelling, but it's inspiration is drawn from an inherently different cultural/historical background than Japan. Some like "Blade for Barter" do a good job paying homage to Japan's goofy eccentricities, or like "Bizenghast" draw from the visual culture, but others like "Dramacon" or "Scott Pilgrim" are clearly centered about North American anime-manga-videogame-music culture. If we narrow the meaning strictly to the stylings and storytelling, then yes, Ameri-manga is manga. If we expand this meaning to include an authentic and uniquely Japanese cultural/historical essence, than no, Ameri-manga is not in essence manga (though it can be inspired by Japanese themes) and may be considered something else entirely. Extra thoughts: Ameri-manga is a weird term. 
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