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prettygirl



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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 9:09 pm Reply with quote
I just finished watching the "Ah! My Goddess" OVA and movie. Wow, the movie is definately much better than the OVA. This is my blurb about the movie:

I didn't think Celestin's sin was so bad that he had to be reduced to nearly nothing and kept in solitude for eternity. In fact, his belief was actually quite justifiable and not totally "evil", if you know what I mean. It wasn't like he was out to harm people. His eventual goal was, after all, to make everyone equally as happy and to protect the weak. Although at the same time, Belldandy had some valid arguements as well. Hard to decide who's side to take. What do you think???
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jaybug39



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PostPosted: Tue May 16, 2006 10:30 pm Reply with quote
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, Joseph Stalin and Mao Tse Dung had the same goals. It was also in the French revolution. Make things equal, make things better. Somehow that just doesn't seem to work out with people, especially if you are to limit possible choices. You have to allow for people to do harm, because if you don't, you limit their chances to exceed expectations to the good. This is called micromanagement. Can you say Viet Nam?

I don't know if it was worth eternal damnation, but if you have someone who will risk anything to destroy that which is, and you don't kill, what do you do? Sorry, I don't believe in Supermax prisons. Kill me, before you make me spend my life like that. that, would be mercy to me.

I liked the movie at least as well as the OVA. I think it developed Bell's background, and furthered Her (does she as a goddess, get a capital H?) and K1's relationship. It doesn't hurt that the movie asked the question you just posted either. It's a basic question of human values. Thank you for bringing it up.
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Craeyst Raygal



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 5:28 pm Reply with quote
I have to disagree on the movie having any superior quality over the OAV. Honestly, not even the ANIMATION, to my eye, had a nod over the softer palette of the OAV's.

Also, quite frankly, the movie deviates too far from Fujishima's character designs for my tastes. Even though the TV, movie, and OAV series all kept the same designer, the differing interpretations are startling, and the movie designs stray too far into the "anime standard" to keep Bell beautiful.

Storywise, the movie lags by assuming viewers have a ton of exposure to the manga. The OAV, on the other hand, introduces the characters and gives them the full-fleshing out (circa 1992, which is only 3 years after the manga began its run and so leaving out certain bits of canon that came into the movie) they deserved.

While the OAV is a little short, and the ending thrown together (but, then again, Oh! My Goddess is still running in Young King Ours after 17years, so did you think that 14 years ago Fujishima had his ending figured out?) it captures the emotion and atmosphere of the series to a tee. The darker undertones of the movie, and the TV series' brighter bouncier attitude, just don't do justice to what's really one of anime's more mature couplings.

I mean, honestly, Oh! My Goddess: The Movie was a chance to explore Keiichi and Belldandy with more robust animation and plenty of on-screen time. Devoting the whole movie to a conflict with a non-canon character in order to inject unneeded "drama" into the franchise was a mistake on the part of the scriptwriters. As in the timeless OAV's, let Bell and K1 speak for themselves.
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jaybug39



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 6:24 pm Reply with quote
Call me an odd duck then. Well, I do work for the University of Oregon, the Ducks, go figure. But I don't think I said that the film quality was superior. But I don't think it dragged down the OVA either. I am not a film critic. I am in no ways qualified. I can only go by what I like, and don't like.

But wasn't this topic about Celestin's sin?
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robbies7897



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 8:22 pm Reply with quote
Hello everyone I'm new here. I love Ah! My Goddess, and I was wondering just what is so different about the OVA series, and why is it drawn differently than the original anime? What does OVA even mean? Do the same voice actors from the original show do the voices in the OVA series (like Eileen Stephens (did I spell that right?) for Belldandy)? Hope I didn't ask too many questions. Oh, and what is the movie about? Do the same voice actors work in that as well? Oh, and, how long did A!MG last in America (the english version)? I'm a 16 year old boy and I'm an extreme fan of the series (although I only have three of the Media-Blasters collections, and I am about to buy the Ah! My Goddess OST day after tomorrow), but don't make fun of me, because I'm not in it just for the women. I love the episodes, and I'm even starting a full-fledge fan manga soon. Thanks, and I hope I didn't ask too much!
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Nobuyuki



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:25 pm Reply with quote
robbies7897 wrote:
Hello everyone I'm new here. I love Ah! My Goddess, and I was wondering just what is so different about the OVA series, and why is it drawn differently than the original anime? What does OVA even mean? Do the same voice actors from the original show do the voices in the OVA series (like Eileen Stephens (did I spell that right?) for Belldandy)? Hope I didn't ask too many questions. Oh, and what is the movie about? Do the same voice actors work in that as well? Oh, and, how long did A!MG last in America (the english version)? I'm a 16 year old boy and I'm an extreme fan of the series (although I only have three of the Media-Blasters collections, and I am about to buy the Ah! My Goddess OST day after tomorrow), but don't make fun of me, because I'm not in it just for the women. I love the episodes, and I'm even starting a full-fledge fan manga soon. Thanks, and I hope I didn't ask too much!

Whew... first off: OVA= "Direct to video"
Secondly, the A!MG OVA was created first, about 13 years ago, so it's the "original anime", not the TV series from Media Blasters. Wink
And all three A!MG properties have different English voice casts from three different studios, (4 if you count the Mini-Goddess series). The main voice cast kept consistent through only in Japanese.
Most of these questions and more are answered by using the "Encyclopedia" section of this site.

P.S.- I'm into the show more for the BMW, myself. Wink
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jaybug39



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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2006 9:36 pm Reply with quote
John Stosselwrote in his book "Give Me a Break" Chapter 4, page 61.
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Arthur Thomas Sowell calls it the "Conceit of the Anointed." You are not to be trusted. We know better. There are 150 government agencies with more than 5 million employees who spend most of every day searching for ways to protect us, make something more "fair," or just help their friends. Every year they churn out thousands of pages of new rules. But again and again, the experts' schemes go awry. They don't see the unintended consequences. The Conceit of the Anointed is so powerful that they insist on maintaining control when they fail, and fail again.


But would Celestin, by being a god, be immune to such human foibles? Somehow I feel this to be more universal in nature.

Robbies, welcome. Ask all the questions you like. But be prepared for people to show you where to go in your researches. The answers are here in the ANN. The Encylopedia located at the left side of the screen, is terrific and loaded with valuable information. You'll find answers to O!MG in the Encylopedia, under Anime. OVA can be found in the Lexicon.

I hope you will have some answers for me in the future.
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prettygirl



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 12:42 am Reply with quote
jaybug39 wrote:
But would Celestin, by being a god, be immune to such human foibles? Somehow I feel this to be more universal in nature.


Exactly! I was under the assumption that because Celestin is a god, he would have the power to actually carry out his beliefs/goals in as perfect a way as possible. He demonstrated superior skills and intellect through the amazing virus he created. I was thoroughly amazed at how well thought out his plan was from the beginning to the end. If he had the skills to do that, I think he would have the skills to change the world, don't you think?

I'm not religous so I don't know much about the powers of god(s) but specifically for this movie, the gods and goddesses obviously displayed certain powers. Are the gods and goddesses immune to such human foibles, you ask? Probably not since Belldandy was able to fall in love (and we all know that love can be the cause of many problems, temptations, and downfalls). However, I think that a god might have more resistance than humans against whatever it is that brings about their demise.
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Mohawk52



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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:23 am Reply with quote
I'll add here that one must keep in mind that the OVA has a seperate universe than the manga which is the reason it makes no sense to it. I believe the movie was a stand alone that has used characters from the manga but again in a seperate universe not connected to either manga or OVA. Sort of like the Tenchi Muyo movies.
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robbies7897



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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 8:05 pm Reply with quote
Thanks Nobuyuki and Jaybug. I really appreciate it. Although, I wish they would have kept the same voice actors. No one could possibly accomplish Belldandy like miss Stevens (and of course, Urd via Vibe Jones). Thanks for all your help! Oh, do the voice actors in the movie at least sound like the ones from the original? So, does any here besides me LOVE the music in the episodes? I love it so much, I'm buying the OST.
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Nobuyuki



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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2006 8:25 pm Reply with quote
robbies7897 wrote:
Although, I wish they would have kept the same voice actors.

So do I, but by that I mean Juliet Cesario and Lanelle Markgraf. Wink

Although none of them beat Kikuko Inoue and Yumi Touma, IMHO.
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