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Aca Vuksa



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:11 am Reply with quote
I hope the person who stabbed her can go to jail for this.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:15 am Reply with quote
Interesting, does that lawsuit have any chance of succeeding, or is it somewhat expressive instead? In the US, courts have made it very difficult to sue police for failure to protect, see Warren v. District of Columbia.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:27 am Reply with quote
Fair enough, it’s their fault this got out of hand. I don’t know her chance of success but I’m still terrified by her circumstances and I wish her the best.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:36 am Reply with quote
Aca Vuksa wrote:
I hope the person who stabbed her can go to jail for this.


Did you read the article? He is currently serving his 14-year prison term.
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Aca Vuksa



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:43 am Reply with quote
TarutoClown93 wrote:
Aca Vuksa wrote:
I hope the person who stabbed her can go to jail for this.


Did you read the article? He is currently serving his 14-year prison term.


Oh, i didn't even read the article the guy being responsible for Mayu's server injures back in the day. But thanks for letting me know.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:28 pm Reply with quote
Aca Vuksa wrote:
I hope the person who stabbed her can go to jail for this.

The very last sentence of the article says they're serving 14.5 years. What's is sick is how these people(specifically female idols) are put on this pedestal and forced to live a restrictive life or their career is over. Even if they "follow all the rules" some sicko, who industry knows is a significant listener base, will haul off and do something like this; and their career is over and they're forgotten about.
Singing pop songs shouldn't come with a risk of being stabbed 60 times and dumped to the side.
While unrealistic, I wish for a decline in idol applicants due to safety concerns to wake up their industry/public safety to treat these unhinged people more seriously. Even if these attacks are "rare" someone shouldn't have to live in fear for singing songs for a living.
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Most of the time I hear about someone suing the police or other municipal agency it seems like nothing more than a pathetic attempt at a cash grab. This is completely different.

Not only did the victim give specific warnings to the police (multiple times, apparently), but it also appears that the police didn't even try to investigate further, nor did they bother to send an officer to the concert where the attack occurred either. This is negligence or incompetence of the highest order.
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Good. I hope she wins, it'll be better for the entire industry.
And she has the grounds to. If Japan wants to become any better regarding cases like these, this should pass. The entire case is symbolic of a very problematic and dark side of the whole japanese pop-idol industry.
Not only the police was unresponsive on her case, having to officially apologize for it, for people who don't know about this, her specific case was already grounds for law change, specifically anti-stalking laws.
But without penalties and without real damages, these things have no effect.
A lawsuit like this isn't only about her case, which would've been enough, but also to change how police handles these cases and how the industry work in itself.
I am personally not a fan of the japanese idol industry and it's dynamics, but since it doesn't seem to be going anywhere given how successful it is, at the very least it needs to put some very basic protection guidelines for artists. Afaik, these singers already overwork and are heavily exploited for image. Managers of these groups are often accused of sucking these singers and artists dry and then leaving them to rot once their careers are over. And a whole ton of cases of attacks, threats and violence are constantly coming from fans with all sorts of mental illnesses.
It is already plenty shameful for the entire culture to let something like this become a staple of the genre in itself. Corrective action is sorely needed.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:54 pm Reply with quote
She DESERVES to win this case. After she gave reports to the police and her agency extra precautions should've been taken. And because of their negligence she almost lost her life.
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AkumaChef wrote:
Most of the time I hear about someone suing the police or other municipal agency it seems like nothing more than a pathetic attempt at a cash grab. This is completely different.

Not only did the victim give specific warnings to the police (multiple times, apparently), but it also appears that the police didn't even try to investigate further, nor did they bother to send an officer to the concert where the attack occurred either. This is negligence or incompetence of the highest order.


I wonder if it's policy to not do anything until something concrete happens. I know that hardly anything happens here in the US when people go to the police with online death threats, though I'm still not clear if that's because those specific locales are too technologically ill-equipped to deal with online threats (tracing it to try and do something about the sender?) or if it's just not taken seriously because "those crazy kids and their Internet, amirite?"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:45 pm Reply with quote
#815349 wrote:
Good. I hope she wins, it'll be better for the entire industry.
And she has the grounds to. If Japan wants to become any better regarding cases like these, this should pass. The entire case is symbolic of a very problematic and dark side of the whole japanese pop-idol industry.
Not only the police was unresponsive on her case, having to officially apologize for it, for people who don't know about this, her specific case was already grounds for law change, specifically anti-stalking laws.
But without penalties and without real damages, these things have no effect.
A lawsuit like this isn't only about her case, which would've been enough, but also to change how police handles these cases and how the industry work in itself.
I am personally not a fan of the japanese idol industry and it's dynamics, but since it doesn't seem to be going anywhere given how successful it is, at the very least it needs to put some very basic protection guidelines for artists. Afaik, these singers already overwork and are heavily exploited for image. Managers of these groups are often accused of sucking these singers and artists dry and then leaving them to rot once their careers are over. And a whole ton of cases of attacks, threats and violence are constantly coming from fans with all sorts of mental illnesses.
It is already plenty shameful for the entire culture to let something like this become a staple of the genre in itself. Corrective action is sorely needed.


You do know this isn't unique to idols, right? (or Japan for that matter)

And any criticism towards the idol biz can be leveled at the entertainment industry as a whole and even athletes and peeps in the fashion industry (especially models) have to deal with this kind of fucked up shit worldwide

(I don't think I need to mention how creepy child beauty pageants are do I?)

Really the first step in stopping shit like this from happening worldwide is getting rid of all the creeps and that's easier said than done
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:58 pm Reply with quote
whiskeyii wrote:

I wonder if it's policy to not do anything until something concrete happens. I know that hardly anything happens here in the US when people go to the police with online death threats, though I'm still not clear if that's because those specific locales are too technologically ill-equipped to deal with online threats (tracing it to try and do something about the sender?) or if it's just not taken seriously because "those crazy kids and their Internet, amirite?"


Normally death threats ARE investigated here in the US. There have been some incidents in the news in which the police failed....but that's WHY they those incidents are in the news in the first place. When the police fail it makes the news. When they do their job correctly nobody bothers to mention it. Remember the old saying:
Dog bites man: nobody cares
Man bites dog: news at 10.

There are cases in which the police try and investigate but are stymied for whatever reason: maybe they can't trace an anonymous online threat, maybe they did indeed talk to talk to the alleged perpetrator but were deceived, or maybe a technical system they wanted to use was down that day. But in this case there was no such problem, the victim gave the police the attacker's identity, and even went so far as to warn them again about her concert, but they didn't act at all. Even if you have no idea where to find the suspect, or if you have no idea who a suspect may be, you can still send an officer to a concert just to maintain a presence. That's why this situation strikes me as such a major case of negligence or incompetence: it appears that the police didn't even lift a finger to attempt to do anything, and that's a lot worse than trying and failing.
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#815349



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:44 pm Reply with quote
ShugoYotsuba wrote:

You do know this isn't unique to idols, right? (or Japan for that matter)

And any criticism towards the idol biz can be leveled at the entertainment industry as a whole and even athletes and peeps in the fashion industry (especially models) have to deal with this kind of fucked up shit worldwide

(I don't think I need to mention how creepy child beauty pageants are do I?)

Really the first step in stopping shit like this from happening worldwide is getting rid of all the creeps and that's easier said than done


Yes, agreed. It isn't unique in any way, nor I wanted to imply it is.
But it is particularly insidious in idol culture, which is something I see people constantly trying to diminish or deny. I'd argue athletes, fashion industry, or child beauty pageants get nowhere near the number of cases the idol industry does, proportionally speaking, similar to this one.

The closest counterpart I can muster from western countries is probably the booth babes thing, which is kind of dying off. Well, somewhere in between I guess.

Celebrity culture in general is kinda shit imho, no one has to agree with me but it is my personal opinion. That is certainly one thing, which I won't get much into. But idol culture has several problems due to it's nature and foundations.

Idols are less famous, generally have way less money and individual power compared to celebrities in general, the whole culture is propped around objectification of girls that are anywhere from teens to young adults (sometimes kids), it heavily caters to a crowd of lonely men that fantasize about them (not that all fans are like that, but it's undeniable that the industry caters to this crowd a lot), and it has stuff like creepy handshaking events and some other stuff that just potentializes the objectification aspect of the whole deal.

Again, I'm not saying it justifies actions of lunatics like in this case, but we have been hearing about death threats, attempts to break in houses, creepy encounters, stalking, internet doxxing, cancelled events due to terrorism threats and all that for several years now. At some point people have to understand this is a systemic problem of the industry itself that requires change.

It stands out in stark contrast to japanese society as a whole, with it's relative security and all.

It should be obvious that idol agencies should be taking extra steps in securing the livelihood of their employees. And if agencies are not gonna do it, government and police should step in, lawsuits should come up, and a shake up needs to happen. Reason why I'm all for the lawsuits in the article. Her life was destroyed by some creep, but cases like hers continues being on the very edge of happening, so it seems not enough has been done to prevent cases like hers from happening.

Just to be clear, I'm not condemning the entire culture. I know the vast vast majority of idol group fans are not weirdos and just wanna have fun with something they care and like. In fact, idol groups have quite a lot of female fans. But if people do care and like idol culture, they should be looking deeply into the problems it has, and trying to solve them somehow, not just ignoring and treating idols as disposable objects to be quickly forgotten, or worse, heavily chastised and persecuted when things don't go the way male fans like.

In any case, I'm just voicing my opinion. It's their culture and society, so not my place to tell them what to do, really. But it's one thing that certainly bothers me in modern japanese pop-culture, despite being a huge fan of it.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:43 pm Reply with quote
AkumaChef wrote:


Normally death threats ARE investigated here in the US. There have been some incidents in the news in which the police failed....but that's WHY they those incidents are in the news in the first place. When the police fail it makes the news.


Actually when law enforcement does stop someone from acting on threats it does make the news. The people who tend to make this argument are pro gun types like the NRA who think gun owners should be a protected class and who for years have made it hard for state,federal, & local government to take guns away from people who more often than not go on to commit crimes with those guns.

AkumaChef wrote:


Dog bites man: nobody cares
Man bites dog: news at 10.


I've never heard this phrase ever.


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Aca Vuksa wrote:
I hope the person who stabbed her can go to jail for this.


It said in the article that her attacker is serving 14 1/2 years in prison.
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