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I really enjoyed this one. It could be on the melodramatic side, but I did enjoy watching the lead couple, and some of these visuals are breathtaking. I’m not into K-pop, but I liked the music the band played.

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Please don't be put off by any small-minded criticisms that as it's Korean, it “isn't anime.” I don't think it matters. It's a good animated movie, period.

I’m sure it’s good but it’s not anime, it’s aeni.
Just like how To be hero X is donghua.

I think this site should be renamed to Anime, Donghua and Aeni News Network.
Might as well add in manhwa and manhua too.

Axbox360 wrote:

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Please don't be put off by any small-minded criticisms that as it's Korean, it “isn't anime.” I don't think it matters. It's a good animated movie, period.

I’m sure it’s good but it’s not anime, it’s aeni.
Just like how To be hero X is donghua.

I think this site should be renamed to Anime, Donghua and Aeni News Network.
Might as well add in manhwa and manhua too.

They don’t even need to rename the site, but I would LOVE for them to cover donghua, aeni, manhwa, and manhua! It’s too much trying to remember to check 5+ sites on a regular basis in an attempt not to miss any news.

I'm definitely checking this out now!

SinisterOracle wrote:

Axbox360 wrote:

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Please don't be put off by any small-minded criticisms that as it's Korean, it “isn't anime.” I don't think it matters. It's a good animated movie, period.

I’m sure it’s good but it’s not anime, it’s aeni.
Just like how To be hero X is donghua.

I think this site should be renamed to Anime, Donghua and Aeni News Network.
Might as well add in manhwa and manhua too.

They don’t even need to rename the site, but I would LOVE for them to cover donghua, aeni, manhwa, and manhua! It’s too much trying to remember to check 5+ sites on a regular basis in an attempt not to miss any news.

Well a donghua movie called Ne zha 2 is breaking multiple records at the box office so I’m surprised they didn’t cover that. Since they have talked about donghua before.

animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2023-05-11/.197965

Axbox360 wrote:

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Please don't be put off by any small-minded criticisms that as it's Korean, it “isn't anime.” I don't think it matters. It's a good animated movie, period.

I’m sure it’s good but it’s not anime, it’s aeni.
Just like how To be hero X is donghua.

I think this site should be renamed to Anime, Donghua and Aeni News Network.
Might as well add in manhwa and manhua too.

In Japan anime/manga are just generic terms that encompass all animation/comic books, so honestly I don’t think it’s worth caring so much about specific terminology.

Rodem wrote:

Axbox360 wrote:

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Please don't be put off by any small-minded criticisms that as it's Korean, it “isn't anime.” I don't think it matters. It's a good animated movie, period.

I’m sure it’s good but it’s not anime, it’s aeni.
Just like how To be hero X is donghua.

I think this site should be renamed to Anime, Donghua and Aeni News Network.
Might as well add in manhwa and manhua too.

In Japan anime/manga are just generic terms that encompass all animation/comic books, so honestly I don’t think it’s worth caring so much about specific terminology.

Then why are they not more reviews of American or French comics & cartoons on this site then ?

Korean and Japanese animation has a lot of crossover market especially as many Korean comics are adapted by Japanese studios and Korean animators sometimes work on Japanese titles so it makes sense for ANN to cover them. ANN does in fact review American and French animation when it has some crossover element that would appeal to fans of Japanese media. Like ANN reviewed the Mario movie and recently reviewed the Devil May Cry animated series which was an American production done by Korean animators and they recently reviewed Ghost Cat Anzu which is a Japanese/French co-production. It would not make sense for ANN to review Spongebob Squarepants which has zero to do with anime and Asian pop culture. It's best to think of ANN as an anime news site which sometimes covers more broader Asian pop culture related topics.

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:

It would not make sense for ANN to review Spongebob Squarepants which has zero to do with anime and Asian pop culture.

There's a Spongebob Squarepants anime Laughing

(well ok, it's not official)

But there's officially a Lilo & Stitch anime, and now there's a new animated movie

Rodem wrote:

Axbox360 wrote:

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Please don't be put off by any small-minded criticisms that as it's Korean, it “isn't anime.” I don't think it matters. It's a good animated movie, period.

I’m sure it’s good but it’s not anime, it’s aeni.
Just like how To be hero X is donghua.

I think this site should be renamed to Anime, Donghua and Aeni News Network.
Might as well add in manhwa and manhua too.

In Japan anime/manga are just generic terms that encompass all animation/comic books, so honestly I don’t think it’s worth caring so much about specific terminology.

Kind of a pointless argument IMO because words can acquire different shades of meaning when they get loaned in other countries. As an Italian, I can tell you, no one in Italy calls a pasta with tomato sauce and beef mince a "Bolognese" (at most a ragú alla Bolognese, but that's a qualifier, the important part is ragú), or a coffee with added milk a "latte" (which only means milk). "Anime" is to begin with a loan word from the same root as "animation" (not sure if via English or another language), so it coming back into English only makes sense to mean something more specific - in this case, animation specifically from Japan. This is only surprising to an English speaker IMO because outside of the US, other words can be used to refer to other countries. In Italy sometimes you'll hear the word "comics" specifically for US stuff (compared to the Italian "fumetto"), and I have also heard "bande dessinée" specifically for the Franco-Belgian strain of sequential art (Asterix and Obelix, Lucky Luke, Tintin etc). No different from using "manga" or "anime".

That said, obviously Korean and Chinese sequential art or animation share a lot of commonalities in style and cultural roots (though also have differences). So in many ways it obviously makes sense that someone interested in one may on average be more likely to be interested in the other two too than a random person.

Cardcaptor Takato wrote:

It would not make sense for ANN to review Spongebob Squarepants which has zero to do with anime and Asian pop culture.

Actually, I wouldn't mind if ANN do a feature (or an analysis) article on anime influence on American animation or even American animation that was suspected to have been heavily influenced by anime like for example, Titan A.E by today's standard looks a lot like something you would see in 80's and early 90's sci-fi/space opera anime. I mean when it first came out, some observers have compared the movie's darker and edgier storyline to anime compared to Fox Animation's previous animated feature, which the 2 directors have denied.

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Gary Goldman (co-director of the film): Titan, A.E. originally, was a live-action movie, and [Fox Filmed Entertainment Chairman and CEO] Bill Mechanic thought it might be good in CGI. So, we took a look at it, and the only thing we could think was...it was really science fiction...probably like something Moebius did...Most of the people who have looked at this, internationally, have asked the question: 'Have you been influenced by anime?' and we weren't. I take that as a compliment because anime has become quite popular. I think they feel that the color, style, the look, the pacing, the subject matter, all feel like anime. It just kind of evolved. Originally, two other directors had started the project. Pre-production was completed, but Don and the folks in animation re-designed a lot of the film.

Source: Animation World Network interview from 2000

I got chance to re-watched Titan A.E a few years back and now armed with years and years of experience & knowledge of anime including having watched several older sci-fi anime titles from the 80's and 90's, I can say that it looks like Titan A.E seem to be influenced by several sci-fi anime that were coming out at that time like Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, and probably 80's anime like Crusher Joe, Royal Space Force: The Wings of Honnêamise, and Dallos. And given that several western cartoons and western pop culture in recent years have been putting a lot of anime references in there, I mean you have Steven Universe having Utena references, and you have one Disney animated TV series putting a big reference to Gunbuster in one episode. So it wouldn't hurt for ANN to re-visit Titan A.E to see what kind of anime may have influenced the animators that worked on this film despite the 2 directors denying it.

Reminder: Both Cowboy Bebop, and Outlaw Star didn't get broadcasted in the US on Toonami and Adult Swim until after Titan A.E but both anime came out in Japan in 1998 so between 1998 and June 2000 (when Titan A.E came out in US theater), we don't know how widespread fansub VHS anime was in the period between that time in the US. So between 1998 and 2000, I have to assume there was plenty of time for both of them to get fansubs and put it on bootleg VHS. VHS fansub of Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star could've found it's way into the hand of Fox Animation animators that worked on Titan A.E and could've help put inspiration into animating Titan A.E hence why the film feels like a Japanese anime and I have to assume that the animators that worked on Titan A.E may have also watched Dallos, Crusher Joe for influences too.

mdo7 wrote:

and you have one Disney animated TV series putting a big reference to Gunbuster in one episode.

To add to that, we had lots of over anime references in Gravity Falls too. One entire episode is dedicated to Giffany, a literal dating sim waifu turned sentient and yandere, DDLC style.

Gan_HOPE326 wrote:

To add to that, we had lots of over anime references in Gravity Falls too. One entire episode is dedicated to Giffany, a literal dating sim waifu turned sentient and yandere, DDLC style.

Yes, I'm already aware of Gravity Falls having a lot of anime references in there too with Evangelion particularly this scene. I wasn't aware of the episode dedicated to dating sim in that show, that's a first I've heard of it.

But my point is that ANN should review American cartoon if there's evidence of strong anime influence. Titan A.E is worthy of an ANN retrospective review and give an analysis on possible anime influences on there. Hell, I would love it if ANN could do a review of Pantheon given the influences of Ghost in the Shell and Serial Experiments Lain and theme of the show found in those 2 anime titles.

We're getting off topic, but to see ANN reviewing a Korean animated film that feels like a Makoto Shinkai's work makes me wonder if ANN will review other non-Japanese titles (that aren't Korean) that will feel anime-ish.

Axbox360 wrote:

SinisterOracle wrote:

Axbox360 wrote:

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Please don't be put off by any small-minded criticisms that as it's Korean, it “isn't anime.” I don't think it matters. It's a good animated movie, period.

I’m sure it’s good but it’s not anime, it’s aeni.
Just like how To be hero X is donghua.

I think this site should be renamed to Anime, Donghua and Aeni News Network.
Might as well add in manhwa and manhua too.

They don’t even need to rename the site, but I would LOVE for them to cover donghua, aeni, manhwa, and manhua! It’s too much trying to remember to check 5+ sites on a regular basis in an attempt not to miss any news.

Well a donghua movie called Ne zha 2 is breaking multiple records at the box office so I’m surprised they didn’t cover that. Since they have talked about donghua before.

animenewsnetwork.com/this-week-in-anime/2023-05-11/.197965

And it was the correct decision because Ne Zha 2 isn't donghua. Ne Zha is one of a ton of western-style animation projects coming from Japan. Even the people who worked on the movie acknowledged DreamWorks and Pixar, if only to say "but we did it better." So ANN covering Ne Zha 2 makes no more sense than their covering Zootopia 2.

Even saying that ANN should cover more South Korean and Chinese cartoons and comics that actually are similar enough to anime and manga to merit it is tough: a ton of it gets produced, most of it doesn't get distributed in the west and quite frankly most of it isn't very good. Plus it is not as if ANN covers anywhere close to all of the anime that Japan produces either.

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Actually, I wouldn't mind if ANN do a feature (or an analysis) article on anime influence on American animation or even American animation that was suspected to have been heavily influenced by anime like for example, Titan A.E by today's standard looks a lot like something you would see in 80's and early 90's sci-fi/space opera anime. I mean when it first came out, some observers have compared the movie's darker and edgier storyline to anime compared to Fox Animation's previous animated feature, which the 2 directors have denied.

I think there should still be some standard of what gets covered and what doesn't because just covering anything influenced by anime would open the floodgates from anything from Batman to Steven Universe and that's not what I'm here for (unless it's like the actual Batman anime for example). There are tons of other animation news sites and blogs and general pop culture sites that cover American animation and don't cover anime to the degree ANN does and I don't want ANN to just become another generic pop culture site. Those other animation sites also deserve their own support and readership I don't think ANN should be taking away from them for covering subjects that are beyond their focus and expertise.

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