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Chiyosuke
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as a loyal otaku (although still a little wet behind the ears ) i have to say that i'm a little concerned about the future of anime. my concern you ask, well things might not be the same for long now that american companies are now producing anime. actually i love the fact that the "Anime Mainstream of America"(companies like bandai ent., geneon ent., a. d. vision and all the likes) are now co-producing titles with japanese companies (because the american co-producer usually automatically license that title). my problem is that normal american mainstream companies are trying to ease their way into the "anime market." i hate the fact that companies (
 such as warner bros., disney and other major motion picture companies ) that don't give a DANM about anime are now trying to zero in on it just because it is becoming increasingly more popular. i want to know how other fans feel about this (probably unneccessary, but thought striking) subject.
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RantingOtaku
Posts: 219 Location: Sudbury, Ontario, Canada |
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I think the co-productions are great, we can get it alot faster, rather than waiting years
 As for Disney et. all, it's very stupid on their part, they all have their respective artistic styles, and should stick to it.
Just imagine if Disney were doing this in the early 90's... "Evangelion special Ed. DVD... with 20 new vocal songs by Elton John and Sting" 
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ChichiriMuyo
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First, to start off, Bandai and Pioneer (as well as Geneon) are owned in whole by Japanese companies. So for them to co-produce soemthine with their parent company shouldn't be unexpected. In fact in Bandai's case I wouldnt be surprised if it became the norm. I'm glad american companies not only have that kind of money but also use it for something that can be enjoyed. Without some of them and the money they happen to have we'd miss out on anime like VHD:Bloodlust because without that financial backing it may never have been made. The more they do this to bring great anime to the light of day the better. As far as major american animation studios and theiur parent companies are concerned... Its far more expensive for them to do the work, so they can get a great movie cheap by licensing it. In addition anime is getting much bigger here, yet their animeation products obviously aren't growing and may even begin losig significant ground soon. As we can all tell, Disney is all about milking a product to death, the latest example being the George of the Jungle sequel if you've had the misfortune of seeing the commercials (god save you if you actually had to watch the movie). To Disney its just another product that they cna milk to death (sometimes) in a demographic they cant really please otherwise. As long as they make no major changes to the anime they touch then I wont go into their headquarters with a machine gun to teach them a lesson. As it is they only have a deal with Ghibli which is pretty much geared towards family oriented movies anyway so its not like they are going to get their hands on anything even remotely similar to Eva. The other companies getting into it, well... they have barely stuck their foot in the door and thats about it. They are more interested in getting live action deals than anime deals really. As long as their influence stays to a minimum I don't care what they do.
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molloaggie
 Posts: 578 Location: Texas |
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Oh, it can't be that bad in the future. A good business model always includes giving the customer what he wants. I expect to be pleased or I simply won't buy it.
When they are writing a storyline, they ALWAYS think about outside production like toys and such. I read that the Gundam creators worked hard to find a catchy name (Gundam= Gun + Freedom) and make the gundams of a design that could be made into toys. (Newtype article, I recall) Since the Japanese companies now see America as a future pot, they are going to want more American consultants and start-up money. NOT to say that the Japanese companies are going to start producing American-tailored animes. However, the Japanese studios can't rely simply on income from commercials anymore. They NEED the American money. It just comes down to that. If anything, having American companies pre-involved may bring down the costs for buyers like me! |
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Chiyosuke
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okay, i understand all that. my problem is with major american studios, i feel like they should leave anime to the people who anime (such as the "ANIME MAINSTREAM of AMERICA"). i understand that the japanese now (more than before) need the money to do so.
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Craeyst Raygal
 Posts: 1383 Location: In the garage, beneath a 1970 MGB GT. |
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I hope no one minds me saying this, but I think it'd be a generally GOOD thing if anime companies had writers from other nations, including *GASP* the United States.
As anime becomes more and more commonplace, we can look to it becoming more and more an outlet for creativity worldwide. Consider this; the Batman movies have taken a downturn as of late and aren't looking to get much better. The animated series is starting to grow stale, but the strength of the characters is still winning over fans and is gaining interestin Asia. Kia Asamiya, for instance created a very well done Batman comic (Batman: Child of Dreams. Look into it). How about, then, in place of Warner Brothers animated series and lousy Batman movies starring George Clooney, a newly animated Batman movie, say handled by Studio Madhouse with Asamiya's designs and Jim Lee's writing. You say that "things won't be the same for long" and I say THANK GOD! KURIous, the best way for anime to grow is not to make sure that Miyazaki and Shirow are only represented by hole-in-the-wall niche companies or by purely Japanese concerns. The best way for anime to grow is for it to become a world-used artform. |
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Aaron White
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Posts: 1365 Location: Birmingham, Alabama |
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Jim Lee's writing? I know he's drawing Batman, but when did he ever write anything?
I'd be up for more collaboration between east and west, I guess, but only if the resulting hybrids allowed for greater creative work. It could go either way, depending on whether the West's involvement meant more capital and creative opportunity (as in GitS and VHD:BL) or just rubbish made-to-order for the Western market. |
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avius viator
 Posts: 101 Location: Ohio |
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I agree with Aaron and Craeyst, these ‘hybrid’ anime could increase creativity. So what if you get the cheesy productions whose only point is to pander American commercialism and sell toys. There will be other, better stuff out there… and with the collaboration there may be more ‘better’ stuff out there. Just don’t watch the crap. Much in the same way its Hollywood vs independent films… you’ll have some mainstream stuff that appeals to the lowest common denominator and you will have some really creative unpopular stuff that pushes the boundaries (though you have good an bad on both sides, of course). I’m not really saying anything new here… this is already the way it is in the anime world. The collaboration will just increase the volume.
The bottom line is that if it is a good production… its well done and you enjoy watching it, does it really matter where it came from? There isn’t really anything magical about it being ‘pure’ anime… Incidentally, I’m fine with the bigger companies getting into the market. Disney is bringing us Miyazaki’s works and if they make a buck of it, then good for them. They seem to be doing a very good job with the production… little to no cuts, great dubs, the opportunity to watch in a theater, etc. They seem to care enough to give us quality. |
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Emerje
 Posts: 7550 Location: Maine |
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Eh, I disagree. Doing a home video sequal is hardly "milking to death". Hell, Disney isn't even allowing a great deal of merchandise for a lot of their stuff anymore, poor Treasure Planet didn't even get a figure line. Warner Bros. does the same thing, as do most entertainment companies, it would be bad business not to. It's not like the same isn't done in Japan. DBGT was solely done by Toei with Toriyama's disaproval.
While I can't comment on the name there is some truth to that. Tomino was a big fan of Star Wars at the time and wanted the RX-78-2 to be all white like a Stormtrooper, but later he was advised that for it to be popular with viewers he'd have to make his mecha more colorful like other popular mech of the time such as Mazinger or Getter Robo. Too bad it didn't work since it was canceled it's first time out, and then history repeats itself as it fails in the US too over 20 years later. 
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MissKaoru
 Posts: 62 Location: PA |
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damn i totally agree. I made a post about this subject earlier. Apparently, america is just trying to cash in on everything that seems to be popular these days. i must admit that i don't mind the co-producing thing. but when they start to make their own anime it does piss me off. I am and will always be a loyal otaku. Anything that tries to copy anime is just garbage to me. I pay no attention to such shows as Teen Titans and Totally Spys. I do like the striking thought you had but i have no idea on how to go through with it. Hmm let me know what your thoughts are on the subject. Thanks just another otaku, misskaoru |
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Emerje
Posts: 7550 Location: Maine |
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Sounds like blind loyalty to me, MissKaoru. Good animation is good animaiton no mater what. As the old story goes, Anime has it's roots in forign, mostly american animation, so why can't american animation borrow back from anime? Hating something because it isn't japanese isn't going to get you far.
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MissKaoru
Posts: 62 Location: PA |
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oh i'm sorry. I guess i was just a tad bit blind. I'll do my best to take your advice. And yea i'll try to watch a little more of the american shows.
misskaoru EDIT: its good to hear another person's point of view on things thanks later |
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SkullKnight
 Posts: 317 Location: Deep South |
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I"m completely fine with co-productions and expanding the "creative well"
Just as long as it still keeps its appeal and doesn't need to get dummed down for american audiences. To me what makes anime and especially manga interesting is because its from a different culture. The transition to americanized popculture isn't going to be pretty in my opinion. Like the recent KUyoo whatever, with the Heat Guy J on MTV debate. I see MTV "a popculture channel" to be a mixed bag with trying to bring in anime. I stopped watching that channel aloooong time ago. I guess we will have to wait and see how it turns out. |
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MissKaoru
Posts: 62 Location: PA |
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[quote="SkullKnight"]
Just as long as it still keeps its appeal and doesn't need to get dummed down for american audiences. To me what makes anime and especially manga interesting is because its from a different culture. The transition to americanized popculture isn't going to be pretty in my opinion. Like the recent KUyoo whatever, with the Heat Guy J on MTV debate. I see MTV "a popculture channel" to be a mixed bag with trying to bring in anime. I stopped watching that channel aloooong time ago. quote] wow i totally agree...especially now that i have actually thought about my last opinion. Its always good to hear what other people have to say  You've totally changed the way i look at things. Thanks 
-misskaoru- 
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MissKaoru
Posts: 62 Location: PA |
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wow i totally agree...especially now that i have actually thought about my last opinion. Its always good to hear what other people have to say You've totally changed the way i look at things. Thanks
-misskaoru-
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