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Lady Sango
Posts: 106 Location: Texas |
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What is your view on non-japanese taking a part in the creating process of animes and mangas. I know that an american has taken part in the making of an anime but, should it be a regular thing or not. I have heard critics say that it should stay with the japanese. I myself have not made an official opinion on this topic because I'm not 100% sure if it will ruin the industry. I was wandering this because I hear many people saying they want to be a mangaka, writer, director, animator, or composer for anime shows.
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Craeyst Raygal
 Posts: 1383 Location: In the garage, beneath a 1970 MGB GT. |
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I like the idea. It's already been proven that it can work. Syd Mead, for instance, was a big help to Turn A Gundam in my eyes and was one of the people who made Turn A so memorable and distinct.
Besides, a larger pool of creative talent to draw from never hurt anything. The only problem I see right now is that too many "American Anime" creators are emulating the Japanese archetypes instead of setting out to establish their own ideas and legitimize their concepts. |
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kamiboy
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I'm sure half of the writers in this forum would give their right arm, foot and kidney to be able to make their own anime/manga. However, the situation in Japan is extremely hostile against the realisation of such dreams. I think you should be more afraid of Japanese artists changing anime/manga to suit western tastes so they can increase sales.
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ShellBullet
 Posts: 1051 Location: I hit things, with my fist. |
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Let's not forget that anime and manga started out as little more than a fascimile of western (Disney) animation. Further, many many many anime are highly westernized: Cowboy Bebop - theatrical elements, Berserk - European setting, Evengelion - symbolism from western religion, Trigun - set in the wild west, Helsing - vampires come from where? oh, that's right, the west. Do I really need to go on?
As far as non-Japanese taking a greater role in anime. It's already happening, as can be seen in such things as the Animatrix. Anime will not be hurt, rather we might see American animation improve greatly and in a way already have. At least there is now more variety than there used to be, things like Shrek, which clearly do not fit the Disney mold, are able to be successful. |
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setzer
 Posts: 120 Location: Laputa, the Castle in the Sky |
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the Japanese aren't the only ones with great ideas. It doesnt matter who helps or who writes or who directs it, etc. as long as it is a good piece and enjoyable to watch/read.
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Randall Miyashiro
 Posts: 2451 Location: A block away from Golden Gate Park |
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I remember when I first found out Neal Sedaka (sp?) was going to do the Zeta Gundam op and ed themes I instantly thought of Calander Girl and Laughter in the Rain and became very concerned. My fear was put to rest when Zeta was released. to this day, the two Zeta op songs are amongst my favorites.
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Ian
 Posts: 149 Location: Thaxton, VA |
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I'm kinda surprised no one said what I am about to. anime is an art-form. Granted, it origionated in the east, but it is still an art form, like music, movies, poetry etc.
The musical genre of rock birthed from that of jazz and blues, which were invented by African Americans, and rap was considered a strictly black form of music, but with Beastie Boys, Eminem, and Vanilla Ice it is slowly but surely fading from that stereotype. To sum up what I am trying to say, art is art and has never been and should never be restricted to simply its origionators. Too often has it been proven that while someone has the genius to make an art, it usually takes another genius to excel at it and perfect it. In other words,I am cool with western anime and manga production. |
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Ian
Posts: 149 Location: Thaxton, VA |
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I'm kinda surprised no one said what I am about to. anime is an art-form. Granted, it origionated in the east, but it is still an art form, like music, movies, poetry etc.
The musical genre of rock birthed from that of jazz and blues, which were invented by African Americans, and rap was considered a strictly black form of music, but with Beastie Boys, Eminem, and Vanilla Ice it is slowly but surely fading from that stereotype. To sum up what I am trying to say, art is art and has never been and should never be restricted to simply its origionators. Too often has it been proven that while someone has the genius to make an art, it usually takes another genius to excel at it and perfect it. In other words,I am cool with western anime and manga production. |
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Sword of Whedon
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Anime is no longer anime if not created by and for Asians. There is a unique flavor, often imitated, never duplicated that people without the same cultural background just can't capture. Sure westerners could draw it, they could probably direct it, but create it never.
Japanese reaching out to a western audience in hopes of selling the property over here, and it's part of what's killing the industry, not helping it |
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Craeyst Raygal
Posts: 1383 Location: In the garage, beneath a 1970 MGB GT. |
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Question, Sword, by "killing", what do you mean?
By killing do you mean increased reliance on the same old archetypes and uninspired character designs so to guarantee viewers will watch and be entertained as opposed to breaking new ground and pushing the boundaries of the art form with each new show? Or do you mean causing a reduction in earnings and the closing of numerous studios causing a slowdown in production of new series and the reduction of spending on established series? Because if it's the former, you've got no friggin' idea what you're talking about. And if it's the latter, well then it's been going on since the late 70's, it's not the fault of us "Gaijin", and there's no turning back now. Remember Gundam would never have been made unless it had robots, because sugar daddy Bandai wanted to sell toys and model kits. Rampant commercialism and merchandising is nothing new in anime, and finding a new market place is called growth, not death. Look at it this way. Say you make lemon poppyseed muffins. You've been selling those muffins to two guys at your table at lunch for a couple of days and doing okay. They pay fifty cents per muffin, and buy one muffin per day. Now, some guy from another table comes over and buys one of your muffins, he like it, but thinks you should take out the poppyseeds because him, and all twenty of his friends don't like poppyseeds. But they'll pay a dollar per muffin, and you won't have to leave your chair. So, your choice is take out the poppyseeds and make way more money, or keep in the poppyseeds and stick with selling to the guys at your table. When the potential for growth is that high, you listen to the bigger market. Simple as that. |
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nagash
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I was on the Intro to Anime panel at Arisia last month. The two gentleman with me came from different backgrounds, but one of them actually lives in Japan and works with animation. He knows how they put it together.
Also, the conchair of AnimeBoston (Adam Ferraro) was in the crowd, and he'd ask us questions for our opinion. One of them was 'How do you feel about American money financing anime?' It's already happening. I was thinking it's good in that anime can be created for American audiences to go straight to television with minimal editing. On the other hand, I don't want an anime industry making anime exclusively for an American audience. Another question that has bearing on this topic was 'What do you think about Korea's recent activities in the anime business?'. Korea is really picking up steam on the anime front. Also, they do not have the hesitation to do something new that Japan does (the panelist from Japan quoted a saying 'the nail that sticks out must be hammered into place'). So long as they don't flood the market, I like the idea of Korea getting into anime. There is no difference visually. Most people don't even realize it's not from Japan until they figure out that the language is not Japanese. Anime is really pushing to become mainstream right now. When it does, I expect the industry to change. How it will change is up for debate. It will be an interesting ride, however. |
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Neardawg1979
 Posts: 44 Location: West Chester, PA |
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I agree with Sword only that anime has a distinct Japanese flavor. But as for westerners involved in anime it doesn't bother me in the least. As long as they have good ideas and don't ruin the unique flavor of anime, I think the genre will benefit from fresh ideas from different cultures.
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Sword of Whedon
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American money can finance all they want. Just stay out of the creative process
I mean increased production of crap. Lightweight shows which lack the depth and breadth of their predecessors. Many shows are being made on what they believe will sell to the US. This means endless Tenchi, this means more crappy shows in the style of Sailor Moon, Dragonball, Ranma (Inu Yasha! When's more dubbed Inu Yasha going to show? It's crap, it's been crap since panel one) Cute girl shit, crap crap crap crap crap. It used to be that every year there were 2-3 different shows that I'd love. Nowadays I'm lucky if one comes along every couple of years. Theatrical anime and OVA are way down, killed by Japan's economic problems for all but the biggest creators. It's a struggling industry and they're trying to stay alive through US commissions. But they're not selling to the Japanese public very well, and the old-time US fans such as myself don't want it either. It's not because I'm "old", I'm 26. And I'm not the only one who feels this way. Similar "old" fans are dropping like flies as well. We'd love to buy the good old product, but there's nothing for us in the new except for the occasional Matsumotoverse title Give me the creative surge that was the 70s/80s. Give me innovation, show me what I've never seen before. These shows aren't doing it, they're just stamped out. Even do-no-wrong studios like Gainax and Sunrise are starting to falter. While the potential for growth is high. The problem is that you will eventually reach saturation, and without innovation there is nowhere left to go, which will subsequently destroy the market |
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Kyosuke-sama
 Posts: 58 Location: Ireland |
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I think that non-Japanese people should take part in creating and working with manga and anime. I don't see why creating manga should be pegion holed haven't you all heard of manwha [sp?] the Korean form of Japanes manga. I see no reason why a gaijin couldn't travel to Japan and make it big in the world of manga or anime surely an injection of foreign flavour is one of the things the industry needs?
Although I'd say that you would definately need to be an assistant to an artist first you can practice all you like but no westerners can use screentones like the Japanese and even their attempts at emulating manga style always seem lack lustre [take Antarctic Press works for instance]. However with Japan opening its door to more foreingers perhaps the time is right for Europeans and Americans to break into the world of manga properly through its soruce. |
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Milk
Posts: 32 Location: East |
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 Those Asian countries have more advantages to create anime than western countries just simply because for a long time Japanese anime companies have put out their work to those Asian countries.
Since Japanese anime companies hadn't had enough budget for making TV animation - because Tezuka did dumping when the first time he sold his Astro Boy to a TV company - they needed cheap labores out side of Japan, and most of the time they were betweeners and painters. At the same time Japanese manga had been bootlegged around Asia and the artists's names were changed to their own names so thet many people in those countries had believed that those bootlegged mangas were their own work without knowing the fact they were actually from Japan. I've heard that those Japanese manga artists whose work was bootlegged were furious when they knew the fact that their characters names and nationalities were changed and even their costumes were redrawn to different costumes (because otherwise the readeres would know that they were apparently from Japan). And those bootleggers had claimed that they were the creaters and making a lot of money. Even it had happend to anime that some Asian people had believed that anime was their own work but Japan. I think because of the prosess Asians are now really good at making or drawing anime and manga styles much better than westeners, because during the time thay had more chance to be influenced by anime and manga style than westeners. And I can't forget that thay have close background too. |
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