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sj21
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I don't know if anyone would want to do this but I always here people say a series is perfect. Even i do. But couldn't everyone say that there is atleast one thing wrong with a series. So instead of trying to defend a series why not let out the truth.
Full Metal Alchemist This series is amazing in almost every way and I know most of you will agree with me. Well one problem that was really the only thing wrong with it was the fillers. The Season 1 pt. 1 was all filler. I never thought it was and enjoyed the fillers but that is a fault with it. Well there's mine, what series do you have to tell about. |
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doctordoom85
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Err........Rose, Shou Tucker, Ed/Al's mom, how Ed became a State Alchemist, the introduction of Scar, need I go on? The only possible filler episode would be episode 4, but that was referenced later in the series, so that doesn't count. |
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Veoryn87
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That's kinda funny actually, because most people would consider the second half of the series to be the filler since it's not in the manga (I don't, but to me FMA has very little "filler")
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Futagi
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Hmm...the only parts of FMA that I can recall off the top of my head that would really be "filler" would be the early episode dealing with the woman who grew the blue roses, the thief episode, and perhaps the episode that dealt with just the military (although that one was so funny). The biggest weakness I would really consider of FMA is that while Ed actually grows and matures spoiler[it really feels like Al does the opposite. Whereas he begins the series as the more calm of the two brothers, he acts more on his emotions as the series continues. ]
I originally considered The Irresponsible Captain Tylor an almost perfect series, but even I have to admit it had its weak moments. For example spoiler[the entire ghost ship episode felt really out of place]. Also, I have to admit, nowadays the series is starting to really look its age. Still one of my favs though even if it's not perfect. Another series I love but have to admit its flaws would be Haruhi Suzumiya. I originally watched this in the broadcast order and watched it in chronological order when I got the DVDs. Most people believe the broadcast order was done as it was because the series's climax comes in episode 6. While I can agree this is true, I realized another reason: to hide one of Haruhi's biggest weaknesses. Those first few episodes are wordy. Boy are they wordy. You get almost 4 episodes worth of mostly character making complex explanations about their origins. In the broadcast order it's not as noticable because you get the occasional crazy goofy baseball, island, or whatever episode thrown in. |
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Watashi wa Ryuzaki
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Death Note : Great series, but after spoiler[Light forfeited ownership of the Death Note, around episode 17; it started to go down hill. The whole Yotsuba ark was lacking what made Death Note so epic.]
Monster : While it was a great series, there were many parts were it got side tracked, around episodes 35-40 to be exact. While it still held it's composure throughout the entire run; there were those episodes that provided little, if any important information. It was still very intertaining none the less. |
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Murasakisuishou
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I usually hold up Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex as the most technically perfect anime ever created, but I have to say the art in the first six episodes is TERRIBLE. The character designs are really off, the animation seems jerky, and a lot of the gestures made by the characters look awkward. That's also where a lot of the really blatant, annoying fanservice is (like this very flattering shot of Motoko). It's almost like whoever was in charge behind the scenes saw what they were turning out for those episodes and decided to start cracking the whip a bit, because the rest of the series is practically flawless.
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Tony K.
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I feel "perfection" is in the eye of the beholder. Otherwise, everything we experience would be objectively judged, rather than subjectively, and that's no fun. Of course, nothing would ever be truly perfect from a literal sense either, because then "perfect" would be boring since you'd never expect anything to go wrong...
If I really wanted to nitpick at all the anime I rated Masterpiece, I could do that with ease, but who wants to bash something they really like? Then there wouldn't be a point in liking it so much. For example, I rated Rurouni Kenshin the TV series a Masterpiece, despite how much I loathe season 3. But you know what? Season 2 is that great; great enough to overcome the mediocrity of season 1's spastic writing, and great enough to completely overshadow all of the filler in season 3. But by nitpicking, I can deduct 3 levels for the writing in seasons 1 and 3, then the inconsistent art/animation throughout the whole series, bringing it down to a Good. Screw that. And if I haven't made my fandom of Kenshin evident enough already through the many posts I've typed, then that now makes me look like hypocrite for defending my stance in the first place. And nobody wants to look like a fool just because they happen to have certain tastes. So stick with what you like or dislike. Just use whatever logic and combination of descriptive vocabulary in your arsenal and talk the day away, while having fun at the same time. |
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3002-3038
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mmm.. i don't think i've found an anime that i can call a perfect series
at first i thought death note might've been but after about episode i think 17 or 18 i can't remember it rele started to slow down the plots of the episodes became too drawn out lets see. FMA was quite good but once again the later episodes semmed to draw themselves out so.. i have yet to come across a perfect series.. i'll make sure to post when i do.. tho |
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BrentNewhall
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What is perfection?
And does it matter? |
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Veoryn87
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Well, why don't you tell us? Rahxephon is one of my top favorite anime (yes, I loved it much more than Eva, but I don't want to start a Eva vs. Rah debate here). I've watched it all 3 times, more than any other series I've watched. Even with all that I like about it, like the complex storyline and character relationships, references and allusions to Mayan art and culture, and great voice acting, I admit that it did get overly dramatic at times. Also I can understand some people hating the ending quite a bit with the whole spoiler["Oh no everyone is killed off, but the world was reset and everyone is happy now so it's like the whole series was pointless!"] Of course, I hardly believe it was pointless, but I can understand people thinking so. |
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G-mofactor
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Yeah. I somehow feel the same way. Although, I included Fafner in the mix, because I thought it would nice if it was an incarnation of Eva. There are other pretty sweet anime's out there, which I thought was close to perfection. To me, an anime even close to perfection will suffice, because thats what makes originality. Perfection can tend to get boring and people may get sick of talking how amazingly 'perfect' it is until its labeled as overrated, or what not. I believe that tiny bit imperfection of originality, is what makes people adore the anime, compete the for the best, and becomes a Legend. Then people will recognize the classics like NausicaA in years on end. Perhaps, an anime so memorable that its true quality reflects in the story and characters, other than animation; say like Cowboy Bebop. |
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Labbes
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I can't think of anything they could have made better in all the shows I have rated Masterpiece, except Haruhi, after reading the Light Novels.
So, no, I can't say anything about things not right with those shows because I simply feel there is nothing not right. People may want to argue with that, but as long as I don't see anything which could be improved, I will defend all those shows where I think those people are wrong. |
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sanosuke32
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Samurai Champloo and Cowboy Bebop i'd consider a masterpiece. But yes, they both have their flaws. Cowboy Bebop for example did not have enough Vicious or include enough on Spike's past, honestly to do both the new story every episode and the Vicious thing, they would've needed at least 50 episodes. Samurai Champloo's flaw was a lot of the episodes just ended, didn't really show the emotions of the other characters about what just happened. For example spoiler[When Mugen kills Sara, it does not show how Fuu reacts to the situation, because she had come to really like Sara. ]Not all the episodes did this, but a fair bit of them did.
Black Lagoon is close to a masterpiece, but the 3 parters could have been done in 2 I'd say. Such as the nazi one or Roberta, they could've definitely been done in 2. The worst is the last, a 6 parter. Hopefully the third season improves on this. Also, funny faces on the characters is a big flaw in all animes. I hate them, especially when they're used in Hellsing Ultimate or something like that where they SHOULD NOT be used. Moe and fanservice is something that really pisses me off cause I always hate those type of characters. Thats the main reason I wouldn't call Haruhi a masterpiece. [EDIT: Fixed spoiler tag. Although usually the forum automatically adds an "end" tag at the end of the post if a start tag is left on its own somwhere. Strange.~Zalis] |
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G-mofactor
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I do admit there are times that I feel that way in some of the animes I watch, but I do tend to forgive them even though I disagree, because I find that not all anime's with what some people call flaws or something that can be disagree/dislike would be something of an error of judgement. To watch something like the popular anime, Full Metal Alchemist (for example), and then critique until you find something you think is faulty, could also mean thats a little bias, because that something could be intentional. |
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Elfen12
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Fantastic Children i find to be a close to perfect show. The reason behind that for me is that, although it wasn't one of my favorites, it had everything I believe that an Anime should have, and it had it the right way: in good doses and places.
But, to contradict myself here, i believe that it is rather close to impossible to have a perfect show. I think that in order for a show to be "perfect" it would have to be perfect in every viewers mind, meeting all the "requirements" for the show to be perfect in everyones mind, not having any flaws (so long as thats part of the requirements, for the person, to be perfect). So to me i find Fruits Basket and E's Otherwise to be perfect in my book, but in someone elses book, it might, and probably dones't meet the requirements to be perfect. Therefore, it woudln't be perfect becuase someone else doesn't believe it is. An analogy would be 2 people, a guy and a girl, where 1 person believes they are boyfriend/girlfriend ... but if the other doesn't feel the same, then the two woudln't be boyfriend/girlfriend, since being a couple is in some ways a pact. Its the same with perfectness, if one side doens't believe its perfect, then it can't be called perfect. This is my theory at least, half of which i just sorta improvised... anyways i'm sorta rambling. -Elfen12- |
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