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Lowercase_G



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:05 pm Reply with quote
I just recently started to get more interested Anime and I thinking about branching out towards Manga. But I'm a little hesitant, aren't the best Manga's translated into full Animated Series? Is there any advantage to reading the Manga after you watch the series? I guess what i'm trying to ask is are there any instances where reading the manga is more entertaining than watching the series itself. Or is there any great manga I should look into yet be translated into Anime form? Go easy on me if I said somthing ignorant, this is my first post.
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Dranxis



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:17 pm Reply with quote
Manga fan here. Usually manga tends to take many more liberties with a storyline, and gets away with "more.." More violence, more emotion, ect. Basically they have more impact, at least for me. Alot of times there will be stories in the manga that are left out of the anime (for example, Yuyu Hakusho had many stories in the beginning that were left out of the anime). Most anime are originally based off of a manga, so the original manga will retain the creator's true intentions, artistic and story-wise.

However, there are also manga based off an original anime (ex. Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Wolf's Rain). In those cases, the manga is inferior to the anime. Essentially, whichever came first is better, at least in my experience.
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coolerimmortal



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:29 pm Reply with quote
Manga are almost always better than the anime that are made from them. I prefer manga to anime myself. Manga based on anime is usually poor in quality compared to the anime.

I'd suggest watching the anime first and then reading the manga. If the anime leaves a lot out, you get plenty of new material, and neither experience is lessened. If you read manga then watch anime, it is likely that you will be disappointed in the anime.
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milcor1



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:47 pm Reply with quote
Lowercase_G wrote:
I just recently started to get more interested Anime and I thinking about branching out towards Manga. But I'm a little hesitant, aren't the best Manga's translated into full Animated Series? Is there any advantage to reading the Manga after you watch the series? I guess what i'm trying to ask is are there any instances where reading the manga is more entertaining than watching the series itself. Or is there any great manga I should look into yet be translated into Anime form? Go easy on me if I said somthing ignorant, this is my first post.


For beginners I usually coax them into anime first as it is much easier to get into than manga. Something more familiar instead of black and white still frames, and reading from right to left. But once someone's comfortable with Japanese works I feel manga gives a better impression of what Japan has to offer in terms of entertainment. Yes some of the great mangas are translated into animes and while those anime versions are good they just can't give the whole picture a manga can. An example of this would be Akira. The anime is a great piece of work but is just an abbreviated story of the real thing due to having to keep it close to a 2 hour length, while the manga just delves into so much more and really fleshes things out in its 2000 page epic length. Though some mangas work better in their anime form, such as Evangelion which I felt captured the essence of what it was trying to portray better in its anime series, on the whole I would say most mangas that have anime counterparts are better in their manga form. Examples would be Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind and GantZ. Some anime series also only produce a part of a manga series and do not finish the rest due to catching up with the manga or budget constraints like Berserk. So if you enjoy the anime you'd still have to get the manga to know everything. Also there are many many great and incredible mangas that do not have anime counterparts yet and probably never will. Either way welcome to the world of anime and manga, just don't limit yourself too much because both sides have so much to offer.
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sts9



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:09 pm Reply with quote
You may want to get more comfortable with anime first, but you've made it to ANN, so you can't be totally n00berific.

In my opinion, mangas are usually far better overall (with some exceptions). For one thing, the art is going to almost always be more refined/detailed than in the animes. Also, reading is such a more engaging process, and the entire thing really comes alive inside your mind - quite a magical thing.

I highly recommend you pick up a manga or two and give 'er a whurl.

PS: I don't like shounen manga, but my shojo/shounen ratio is 9:1 Razz
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Iemander



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:19 pm Reply with quote
Mangas just have more content, the Japanese animation adaption is much better at presenting this content.

Berserk is a good example, it has alot less content but it's much much better at presenting this content over its manga. Another good example is Hellsing, which manga adaption is pretty crappy when compared to the animation series in its presentation, something the latter is really good at.

A person's imagination between the black and white stills can just go "that much" behind the lines, a scene in an animation film can have a completely different meaning by just changing the music, or having a different voice actor, or speeding up the animation or slowing it down etc etc.

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Just a final note,

this is all my own oppinion. The best thing you should do is just read/watch one of them and complete the experience by doing the rest judging for yourself which one you like best. If you're a person who's just into the storyline and doesn't care about the rest, then you're better off with the manga for example.
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Steventheeunuch





PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:26 pm Reply with quote
Iemander wrote:
Another good example is Hellsing, which manga adaption is pretty crappy when compared to the animation series in its presentation, something the latter is really good at.


It almost sounds as if you're implying that-
1. The Hellsing Animation was the basis for the Manga (which is isn't), and
2. The Hellsing Animation wasn't total drek?

Sorry?
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coolerimmortal



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:42 pm Reply with quote
Iemander wrote:
Mangas just have more content, the Japanese animation adaption is much better at presenting this content.

Berserk is a good example, it has alot less content but it's much much better at presenting this content over its manga. Another good example is Hellsing, which manga adaption is pretty crappy when compared to the animation series in its presentation, something the latter is really good at.

A person's imagination between the black and white stills can just go "that much" behind the lines, a scene in an animation film can have a completely different meaning by just changing the music, or having a different voice actor, or speeding up the animation or slowing it down etc etc.

Eh? Berserk anime does a better job of presenting its content than Berserk manga? Blasphemy.

Hellsing anime does a better job than Hellsing manga, up until the point where the stories branch off. Then the manga just gets better while the anime goes to hell.

EDIT:

Just a final note,

this is all my own oppinion. The best thing you should do is just read/watch one of them and complete the experience by doing the rest judging for yourself which one you like best. If you're a person who's just into the storyline and doesn't care about the rest, then you're better off with the manga for example.
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Slayer



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:46 pm Reply with quote
just mentioning that to me the Love Hina manga is far better then the Anime and way more enjoyable. Very Happy

And what the person above me said Cool
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Iemander



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:56 pm Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:
Iemander wrote:
Another good example is Hellsing, which manga adaption is pretty crappy when compared to the animation series in its presentation, something the latter is really good at.


It almost sounds as if you're implying that-
1. The Hellsing Animation was the basis for the Manga (which is isn't), and
2. The Hellsing Animation wasn't total drek?

Sorry?


1) Yes, I did know that.

2) In my oppinion it wasn't. Your oppinion is... well... none of my concern.

Read the post next time. It might help.

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Eh? Berserk anime does a better job of presenting its content than Berserk manga? Blasphemy.

Hellsing anime does a better job than Hellsing manga, up until the point where the stories branch off. Then the manga just gets better while the anime goes to hell.


Berserk had alot more impact imo, spoiler[scenes like the eclipse had a much larger effect. The intro was much better done as well. The entire anime felt alot smoother and coherent, without having those extremely over the top fights (monkey boy after infiltration for example).]

Hellsing, agreed, the last episodes are pretty out of sync. I'm just comparing the same content however.
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darkhunter



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 9:15 pm Reply with quote
Iemander wrote:
Steventheeunuch wrote:
Iemander wrote:
Another good example is Hellsing, which manga adaption is pretty crappy when compared to the animation series in its presentation, something the latter is really good at.


It almost sounds as if you're implying that-
1. The Hellsing Animation was the basis for the Manga (which is isn't), and
2. The Hellsing Animation wasn't total drek?

Sorry?


1) Yes, I did know that.

2) In my oppinion it wasn't. Your oppinion is... well... none of my concern.

Read the post next time. It might help.

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Quote:
Eh? Berserk anime does a better job of presenting its content than Berserk manga? Blasphemy.

Hellsing anime does a better job than Hellsing manga, up until the point where the stories branch off. Then the manga just gets better while the anime goes to hell.


Berserk had alot more impact imo, spoiler[scenes like the eclipse had a much larger effect. The intro was much better done as well. The entire anime felt alot smoother and coherent, without having those extremely over the top fights (monkey boy after infiltration for example).]

Hellsing, agreed, the last episodes are pretty out of sync. I'm just comparing the same content however.


I'm just wondering if you even read manga (never seen you over at the manga forum) or just watch anime exclusively and read a few manga. Sometimes our judgement are clouded by our bias opinion.

You're saying that the berserk manga has more content but the anime present it better. False. First of all, a lot of the violence, sex, gore, and other mature theme had to be tone down for the anime. Second, the anime left out major story arc, characters and scene. If you're saying that because it has motion, music and voices, it automatically is a better experience, that's definitely wrong. It's definitely more than that, how about better content. Content per content, manga wins.

As a fan of both anime and manga, I will say that the berserk manga had a much greater impact than the anime. The manga was more indepth and detail than the anime. Remember, the manga is the original creation, the anime is the adaption of it and because of tv limits, they are not able to fully express the author's original work.

The same can be said about hellsing. Obviously fan of anime exclusively will say the hellsing anime is better, while fans of both medium (manga and anime) will agree that the original manga had bette content, even better art, for a better experience.

There are a lot of awesome manga out there that hasn't been adapt to or never willl be adapted to anime like 20th Century Boy, Black and White, Vagabond. If you're a fan of anime more but want to try both, than get the anime of titles you like and get manga that has no anime adaption.
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Steventheeunuch





PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:10 pm Reply with quote
darkhunter wrote:
I will say that the berserk manga had a much greater impact than the anime. The manga was more indepth and detail than the anime. Remember, the manga is the original creation, the anime is the adaption of it and because of tv limits, they are not able to fully express the author's original work.


Thing is though, Miura worked on the Berserk TV series and was heavily involved in it's production. Regardless of weather or not it's exactly the same as the original, in itself it is still original.

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2) In my oppinion it wasn't. Your oppinion is... well... none of my concern.


An "opinion" isn't something you can always hide behind and claim is always right. The Hellsing TV Anime, when comparing the same content (first six episodes vs first two or so manga volumes), was a low budget, choppily framed, out of proportion shitfest which was badly directed and scripted. The only thing it had going for it was a midly inappropriate soundtrack, which did crap all to set the mood (then again it probably conflicted with Hellsing TV's already poor visuals). The soundtrack was probably better suited for another project.

Lets hope the new Ultimate OAV does a better job.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:33 am Reply with quote
Trust me my friend, manga's the real horrorshow. Anime's good, yes, but I recommend manga first... Then again, the easiest way to get into it all is watching anime.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 2:26 am Reply with quote
Steventheeunuch wrote:
An "opinion" isn't something you can always hide behind and claim is always right. The Hellsing TV Anime, when comparing the same content (first six episodes vs first two or so manga volumes), was a low budget, choppily framed, out of proportion shitfest which was badly directed and scripted. The only thing it had going for it was a midly inappropriate soundtrack, which did crap all to set the mood (then again it probably conflicted with Hellsing TV's already poor visuals). The soundtrack was probably better suited for another project.

Lets hope the new Ultimate OAV does a better job.


Still just your opinion, though. I happen to mightily disagree. I will grant you that the late episodes of the series had some issues, but overall it is a sharp series which is probably second only to Cowboy Bebop in drawing in new American anime fans over the past 3-4 years. Everyone I've ever shown it to has been mightily impressed with it.

As for the original issue, it just depends on the series. For instance, I have watched all episodes of both seasons of Ai Yori Aoshi and also read all nine volumes of its manga currently available in the States. The only substantive differences between the two are that the manga has considerably more fan service and orders the scenes differently, but I have yet to find any significant content in the manga that wasn't represented in a similar fashion in one of the anime episodes. Hence it wouldn't matter which one you started with.
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DKL



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:27 am Reply with quote
coolerimmortal wrote:
If you read manga then watch anime, it is likely that you will be disappointed in the anime.


Hey, that's pretty good logic you have going there... I'm into that

As for me... I'd like to do both, but then I just can't afford it...

but really, the path to being badass is ardous *expensive* and requires both ANIME and MANGA...

But if I had to choose, I'd stick with anime mainly since it's cheaper *Yes... DVDs are definately cheaper*

That said, I know that I'm missing out though... there are instances where the manga may clearly be better than the anime adaptation...

So I guess, to see if you can get into manga, it's best to take a trip down to your local BARNES or something since you get to read for free
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