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Assassin_



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:09 pm Reply with quote
I recently started watching Robotech, and one of the things I've noticed is that despite the quite original plot, the storytelling stile seems very much in the same stile as Battlestar Galactica (an American TV show from the late 70s)

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Kouji



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:49 pm Reply with quote
I've never seen Battlestar Galactica but can you please explain why you think its storytelling style is similar to Robotech (which by the way, is a combination of three completely unrelated mecha anime, just so you know in case you didn't)? I don't mean to be rude or anything. I'm just curious as to how it's similar.
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Randall Miyashiro



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:04 am Reply with quote
Having seen all of the Battlestar, the only conclusion I can think of is that Battlestar Galactica, Galactica 1980, and the new Battlestar Galactica are three shows with not much in common that are roped into the same franchise. The main underlining theme I got from the three Tatsunoko series is that music makes war cooler and sells a ton of OST albums. Music and love are the universal languages, which I don't see in Battlestar. The only theme I can find linking the Battlestars is that robots suck and they will ruin us all.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:38 am Reply with quote
I get the compairison, the original BSG and Macross were both about giant battleships with a bunch of civilians to protect, being ferried across the stars, with plenty of space-fighter battles. I don't think there's any reason to believe Macross was heavilly influences by BSG, but it's possible.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:48 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, I noticed the similarity too, moreso with the original than the remake.

Similarity : Civilians running around on big ships, remaking their society.

Similarity : Some sort of love story, although the BSG the main character is a total womanizer.

The overall mood is similar too, a focus on the people in the ships and the struggling society as opposed to the epic space battles (which were difficult and expensive to do in live action in BSG times, and which were not the main focus in macross, though battles were important, not as much as the people-drama part)

I don't know if I'd go as far as to say they're influenced by one another, but they do have some significant similarities.
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Assassin_



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:02 pm Reply with quote
Kouji wrote:
(which by the way, is a combination of three completely unrelated mecha anime, just so you know in case you didn't)?


Yes, i did no that. I've only seen Macross, thats the one Im talkin about.

Similaritys I've noticed are that its a very character-driven story, and that the cast are stranded on a warship, months if not years from anywhere.
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Assassin_



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:04 pm Reply with quote
squeakyL wrote:
The overall mood is similar too, a focus on the people in the ships and the struggling society as opposed to the epic space battles (which were difficult and expensive to do in live action in BSG times, and which were not the main focus in macross, though battles were important, not as much as the people-drama part)


Yeh that was the main thing for me to.
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Randall Miyashiro



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:28 am Reply with quote
Assassin_ wrote:

Yes, i did no that. I've only seen Macross, thats the one Im talkin about.

Similaritys I've noticed are that its a very character-driven story, and that the cast are stranded on a warship, months if not years from anywhere.

Ah that makes much more sense. I will agree that some plot and setting elements in the 1979 BSG can be seen in Macross. The second season of BSG takes place on Earth in 1980 and has nothing in common with Robotech. Likewise the original BSG has little in common with Southern Cross or Mospeada. I don't recall if any of the Macross staff were fans of BSG, but I do recall that there were a few Gundam fans on Macross.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 8:59 am Reply with quote
Well that makes sense, cos Gundam was very popular at the time, and most (if not all) of the staff on |Robotech wood have been Japanese.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:29 pm Reply with quote
Assassin_ wrote:
Well that makes sense, cos Gundam was very popular at the time, and most (if not all) of the staff on |Robotech wood have been Japanese.


Very few, actually, since it was rewritten/dubbed by an American company using American actors. Macross, on the other hand, would be done by mostly Japanese people.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:42 am Reply with quote
Assassin_ wrote:
I recently started watching Robotech, and one of the things I've noticed is that despite the quite original plot, the storytelling stile seems very much in the same stile as Battlestar Galactica (an American TV show from the late 70s)

Discuss.


There is a lot of simularies between the 2.

1. Both have the human race's home world getting nuked. Mind you in Macross / Robotech, the events are different.
ROBOTECH TIME LINE
SDF-1 Warps out to the other side of the galaxy ==> SDF-1 Returns To Earth ==> Zentrati Nukes Earth

MACROSS TIME LINE
SDF Warps out to the other side of the galaxy ==> Zentrati Nukes Earth ==> SDF-1 Returns To Earth.

Now with that being sead, I would say that Macross is more of a parralle to the even of BSG.

2. Both have enemy's spy that later on deside to side up with humans. Mirea <==> Boomer
However Mirea is taken on a pilot for the SDF-1. Where as Boomer is now treated like scum by some crew members.

3. Both have this seem to have this "love" theroy to it. I am still a little annoyied with Helo's comments in Season 2 Episode 5
spoiler[On Carprica, we find out that the Cylons are harvesting human women and turning them in to bady factory because the Cylons can not seem to biologically reproduce themselves. And then comes the question of "How come Boomer (on Carprica) is preggers with Halo's Child?"

4. Love Triangles. Robotech there was Rick Hunter stuck between Min May and Lisa Hayes. Galactica there is Tyrol and Helo with their feeling for Boomer.

5. Love Vs.Duty Theme. I remember that Rick Hunter was as odd between Min May (who turned into a hippy) and his duty to fight the Zentradi. The same is going on between Billy Keikeya and PO2 Anastasia Oualla.

6. Both have fan service. No. 6 in season 2 episode 8. Min May in the Macross Movie.

And then Helo comes with the dumbest line of "IT MUST BE LOVE."

Now where the frak did they come one with that dumb idea. If this was some anime, I would okay by that idea.
Like what's next..... Are we going to stick Starbuck into a japanese school girl idol singer suit, and get her to start singing while Appolo and all that fight the Cylons.

I hope that BSG ditches this "IT MUST BE LOVE" idea as it really does not suit the show.]


The Difference between the 2.
1. Robotech / Macross as a much more warmer feel to it. Like every on the SDF-1 followed Cmd. Global. We never really saw him get into a "This is a miltary / presidental desossion" debate with the inhabitance on the SDF-1.
Galactica.... we have the alot more tension. Like all of season 1 was Military vs. Presental. And just when we thought that bad, the season 2 mid season finale now has 2 miltary commands that might put every thing at risk.
Plus there is the scene of parrania as the clyons are pushing the humans into a trap from both outside and inside.
Macross and Galactica had more of a sence of HOPE where Galactica has more of a sence of SURVIVAL.

2. Zentraties are just there as war machines. They are born and bred to take over planets. Where as the Clyons "have a plan" which seems to be extending to not just killing off the humans, but replacing them too. The Zentraities would be only interested in taking out the humans, and looking the next planet to take out.

Although there are some comment theme, I do feel the both the shows are different.
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Randall Miyashiro



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:35 am Reply with quote
Interesting comparison, although most of the points are in regards to the 2003 Battlestar, not the 1979 that was mentioned on the first post. This is why I was confused and thought the original post was comparring the two franchises that are comprised of trilogies that have little continuity.
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