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Aaron White
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I would like to add my voice to those who fear that anime may betray its roots and no longer be the pure folk art that we know and love today. I can't imagine what anime would be if it became dominated by crass, commercial, lowest-common-denominator concerns.
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Kardea
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 I've seen this thread has gotten slightly off topic... Wait... I started that argument, didn't I? Anyways, I followed you guys' advice and bought the first volume of the Love Hina manga with my final $10. Heh... I'm probably the only 17 year old who blew his last bit of cash on a manga... Woo-hoo! I'm a record-setter! Anyways, the origions of some of the characters are quite different, but so far, I'm really liking it! I just can't wait for the Berserk manga to release. Mmm... mindless violence... Just can't get enough. Violence is good... at least plot-furthering violence, like Berserks'. The violence is actually integral to the plot. Cool... 
As far as the anime censorship thing goes, as was mentioned earlier in the thread, I'm on the fence... I do not personally agree with the nudity, homosexuality, or plotless violence, but I would have to say that I still do not support it's censorship solely because censorship could lead to many other things. If my anime is going to be censored, I want to preside on the panel. You catch my drift? I just don't want someone else telling me what's innapropriate, because that person's opinions might be very different than mine. That is where you get into religious, political, and other forms of censorship (although, granted, that is far, far down the line. I am not saying that basic censorship is going to lead to a "1984"-esque existence.). |
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BlueRaven12
Posts: 23 Location: The anime shrine aboard the Ulthwé Craftworld |
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You'd be surprised at how much anime is unaccepted in some suburban parts of Massachusetts. There's a lot of people in my school that still equates anime with childish cartoons and Pokemon's success only makes it worse. One question that I get a lot is "Dude, why do you watch Pokemon and Sailor Moon?! You should watch ________ (insert title of a reality show, a random show, the newest fad, or WWF)." No matter how much I convince them I watch Jin-Roh and others, the misconception never changes. I've even got friends who won't join the local Anime club because they want to stay popular. I've seen anime gain plenty of acceptance in some places, but Massachusetts still has a lot of hicksvilles . As far as I'm concerned, anime for me is underground. And yes, I do go to Boston and Best Buy to buy anime and they do have a lot, but where I live, I'm not considered much better than the classical nerd. I won't be surprised if you find more places like this. |
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Tempest
 I Run this place.ANN Publisher  Posts: 10539 Location: Do not message me for support. |
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Further on what Zac wrote. Anime is and isn't mainstream. It's no longer underground in anyway, nor is it fringe. But it is still a "niche" market. It occupies a niche, or small spot in the mainstream market. Much like science fiction. As with Star Wars and Star Trek, you have Dragonball and YuGiOh. Then you have Love Hina and Babylon 5... And then you have even less mainstream anime titles, and less mainstream Sci-fi. -t |
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Delthayre
 Posts: 414 Location: One of the good United States |
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Babylon 5 and Love Hina mentioned in the same sentence. The list of cosmic impossibilities just got a bit shorter. |
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Rooboy
 Posts: 35 Location: US Mid Atlantic |
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In my neck of the woods, anime isn't mainstream. The majority of people in my area do not watch anime (excluding Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh). Sure, I still see anime on the shelves at my rental store and my local brick and mortars, but mainstream means that the majority of America accepts and indulges in it. At the same time, anime is not underground for exactly the same reasons I just stated.
Anime has a long way to go before it becomes mainstream. I have a hard time getting friends to watch some anime that I recommend. I offer to lend them some DVD's, but they will just reject them. Even when they do accept them, they rarely watch them. I can't even get my older brother to watch any. Those friends that do watch them are instantly hooked. My friend bought the entire Kenshin TV DVD series after watching the OVA. There is a stigma attached the anime that people infer when they see it. I think that is preventing anime from being mainstream right now. |
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madaudet03
 Posts: 40 Location: USA |
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Name something awesome, increadable, sensational, or worth buying, owning, or listening to that is mainstream. The only place the mainstream leads is the tiolet and i always flush.
thre is nothing mainstream i or anyone else who matters cares about. the majority of things acepted by the mainsteam must be acepted by people between 4 an 80 the mentally incapacitated and the moderatly inteligent. in order to be main stream it just has to not make you want to vomit or commit suicide to endure lets face it everthing great outrages somebody from michelangelos david to the evil dead. no true art is embrace by all but it is polarizing once something is in the mainsteam it's headed for the sewers |
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Aaron White
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Posts: 1365 Location: Birmingham, Alabama |
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Sienfeld is mainstream, plus it rocks.
Internet is mainstream. Anime is totally mainstream in Japan. Michelangelo's David has been mainstream for centuries. Cheap snobbery is totally mainstream. |
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madaudet03
Posts: 40 Location: USA |
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ok first of all seinfeld really??? Seinfeld????? ten year old reruns only played on daytime TV OK the internet is not mainstream over 60% of americans don't even have pc's gimmie a break anyway ainime is mainstream in japan like starwars is here finacially sucessful critically accalimed but mostly for toady fanboys no offense. I used michelangellos david to make my point about polorized opinions not to piont out something not mainstream i will try to write more simply next time. cheap snobbery interseting term. is there expensive snobbery??? I'll take that as you think i'm an elitest I'm not i am the exact oposite thats why I'm here. i think mainstream press A.K.A media, movies, music, and tv are. and i think the majority of what they peddle is crap agree or not. i dont think you're argument paints it otherwise. Seinfeld??? uh yeah and car 54 where are you, so mainstream and hot!!! |
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Craeyst Raygal
 Posts: 1383 Location: In the garage, beneath a 1970 MGB GT. |
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Mainstream is not this tremendous evil, nor does it immediately equate to mindlessness. In order to demonstrate, I'm going to make an example of two popular television shows. One sitcom, and one primetime drama.
In the case of the sitcom, I'm going to use MASH (the absolute most watched TV series of all time). While not entirely accurate in either a medical, historical, or military sense, MASH did a better job representing the Korean War than any History Channel miniseries ever could. It had a very likable cast, maintained a high standard of quality throughout its run (particularly when Alan Alda started co-producing) and made a series staple out of addressing social issues with wit, tact, grace, and humor. MASH remains a show that can leave you crying one instant and laughing the next. For a primetime drama, I'll use the wildly popular and widely imitated Law & Order. It's hard-hitting, edgy, and raw, yet neither vulgar or idiotic. The actors, particularly Sam Waterson and Jerry Orbach, portray their characters with infinite humanity and make them out to be completely fallable. There's a certain lack of "television" in the style of the show, and it makes for a show that deserves all of the awards it has received over its long run. Now, here's the kicker. These are two shows that I guarantee that Mom discussed at bridge club and Dad stood around the water cooler chatting about. They're totally mainstream and yet completely intelligent. I wouldn't mind anime becoming a mainstream thing. Once a concept is mainstream, more people apply their perspective to it. That's one of the reasons I look forward to seeing Kill Bill, to see a new perspective on anime. |
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mikazuki-linlin
Posts: 20 Location: Kyoto, Japan |
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I totally agree with you that there ARE alot of mainstream things that rule, but I don`t really understand where everyone comes up with this statement. It is so much LESS socially acceptable if you pass the age of about, 12, to say you like anime in Japan than it is in America. Manga, on the other hand, is a totally different story. There are alot of people who try to point out on these message boards the truth about Anime fans being considered REALLY lame in Japan, and still no one believes this, everyone believes if they went to Japan, there is a secret paradise of anime where suddenly they are cool, as compared to the US. But I think people shouldn`t get their hopes up, I see alot of people come here with that same opinion and just get totally dissappointed. |
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ChichiriMuyo
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Wow, this topic went from legit questions getting answered to blah-blah-blah.... If only most of the second half of the responses didn't exist. Anyway, for the original poster (in case the poor guy has the heart to read through most of that non-sense) if you like Love Hina and wish to see more shonen romance try out Kimagure Orange Road and Maison Ikkoku. Both are lightyears beyond Love Hina in terms of story quality and character relationships.
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Syker 07
Posts: 149 Location: Kentucky |
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Craeyst, thank you for your argument, it was spot-on.
I was going to post something similar, but it centered around mainstream music of yesteryear like Pink Floyd, the Doors and Led Zeppelin. Anyway, I'm glad you got to it first, I don't think my argument would have been near as intelligible. M*A*S*H* was great, wasn't it? 
Syker Seven |
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