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naruto fan 09812



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:49 am Reply with quote
I was wondering do english dubbing compaines do anything but translate anime to english. For example,do they make episodes that was not made in Japan or make new theme songs. Or do they just make twits to the script and tone down the violence of a show. If so can someone give me a example of this and where they any good. Futhermore, what is the point of watching anime in english besides introduce its to a new audicence, when you probably have seen its in the subbed edition.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:25 am Reply with quote
No, they don't really make episodes, all the episodes are those provided by the studio they licensed it from. In some cases they do make new theme songs although this is less and less true these days and usually only occurs with titles that are done with the intent to market it for the mainstream or if the licensor was not able to obtain the rights to the original theme song. As for edits or modifications that really doesn't apply much over the past 5 years, only companies like 4Kids still do that even shows edited for television are usually uncut on the DVD's.

Generally they just translate the scripts to not only provide an accurate dub but one which matches the movements of the characters mouths and provides dialog that sounds more natural in english. Direct translations don't always work, when you cross languages even a direct translation just isn't always going to sound right, so they also have to make sure the translation sounds right with the dub but doesn't effect the story being told.

As for the point of watching a dub that is subjective and depends on the viewer. In rare cases some people have disabilities that make viewing the sub difficult or impossible. In others some people actually like a dub more than the sub as far as the acting goes. And in even others some people just enjoy the more natural sound of hearing the story in their native language as long as the stories integrity is not effected, and I basically fall in to this group. There's many reasons though and it depends on the person, some people just like one over the other. Why do you watch anime? Why are your shoes the color they are? Why do you like or dislike mexican food? It's all personal preference.


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they make episodes from the stand point that they edit them they way they see fit. A perfect example of this is Sailor Moon The last two episodes of the first season were cut and editied to make one epidsode. But they do not draw their own episodes and add them in.
They could also twist the plot to fit the audience they are targeting. Again, my example is Sailor Moon. They took Neptune and Uranus and made them into cousins instead of spoiler[lovers] like they originally were. They didn't feel that American society would accept this when they were marketing to a younger audience like they were.
I think that english companies have gotten much better in their translations and editing since Sailor Moon was brought over. I think that America is ready for Sailor Moon the way it was orignally, and definitely ready for them to bring the last season over as well. Heck, make it a 9pm cartoon on cartoon network. It's not quite Adult Swim material, but it would be on late enough to keep the real young kids away. Although I think that they could handle it.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:13 pm Reply with quote
Torhu_San wrote:
they make episodes from the stand point that they edit them they way they see fit. A perfect example of this is Sailor Moon The last two episodes of the first season were cut and editied to make one epidsode. But they do not draw their own episodes and add them in.
They could also twist the plot to fit the audience they are targeting. Again, my example is Sailor Moon. They took Neptune and Uranus and made them into cousins instead of spoiler[lovers] like they originally were. They didn't feel that American society would accept this when they were marketing to a younger audience like they were.


The main reason for the...butchering...of the last two episodes of the first season of Sailor Moon is because of the spoiler[deaths of Mercury, Jupiter, Venus and Mars. You can't have the kiddies be traumatized after all!] And like Torhu_San mentioned. the REAL relationship between Neptune and Uranus would have had the Conservatives in hysterics.

Now, (and Tohru_San should know this! Wink I think...) Sometimes they will do an English version of the theme song to go with the English dub. That was done in the case of Fruits Basket and (if I remember correctly) Yu Yu Hakusho.

But the various companies, for the most part, do not edit anime like they've done in the past. They've come to realize it pisses off the fans and it doesn't sell well. Of course, there are notable exceptions, i.e. One Piece and 4Kids.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:19 pm Reply with quote
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IMO English dubs negate the aesthetic experience one receives from anime.


Okay, but you really need to provide a little more than that. Why specifically do they have that effect for you? A one-liner providing a stance with nothing behind it simply won't suffice.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:46 pm Reply with quote
I not talking about editing the anime I just saying why do english dub do not have offbeat filler episodes that we have not seen in the subbed version of anime.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:47 pm Reply with quote
Because they don't make anime, they just translate and adapt it. Granted, there are exceptions like ADV's Lady Death, but they still don't add new footage or episodes to an existing series.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 7:56 pm Reply with quote
other than dubbing, I'd say that they try to make the anime "adaptable" to foreign audiences, as well as those who are underage.. Just like Torhu_San said, they had to modify the relationship of sailor uranus and neptune.. Another example is in card captor sakura.. In card captors, there was no blood relation between Shaoran and Meiling, because in the US and in a lot of other countries, marriages between cousins is not a normal practice..
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 8:21 pm Reply with quote
Mostly not. With the exception of 4Kids and a few other companies.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:03 pm Reply with quote
naruto fan 09812 wrote:
I not talking about editing the anime I just saying why do english dub do not have offbeat filler episodes that we have not seen in the subbed version of anime.


Any episodes you see in the Japanese version are seen in the English version. Dubs don't just magically create new episodes out of nowhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:35 pm Reply with quote
Yeah, I haven't yet watched an anime where any episodes were created specifically for the dubbed version. They would have to hire a team of animators (As the current team would either be too busy or on a different project) and storyboard it, while their job is only to provide an english translation.

However, it's worth noting that some episodes simply aren't aired due to their content, when the clever editing that took Sailor Moon's love story and turned it into a pre-teen acceptable cartoon.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:43 pm Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
Facade19 wrote:
IMO English dubs negate the aesthetic experience one receives from anime.


Okay, but you really need to provide a little more than that. Why specifically do they have that effect for you? A one-liner providing a stance with nothing behind it simply won't suffice.


Well, I can give you my take on it at least. There's just something inherently wrong, at least IMO, about watching anime in English. It just seems... off. Now maybe that's because I've been watching it in Japanese since the mid-70s, maybe it's because I actually understand the language, but even the well-done dubs like Disney's Miyazaki translations, just seem... wrong. It's even worse when you've got 3 voice actors doing every role and frankly, most American voice actors, again IMO, couldn't actually act their way out of a wet paper sack.

In the end, give me the Japanese and give it to me 100% unedited, untouched and unmolested. If you can't do that, then don't bother me at all, I'll go back to the original Japanese source.
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That's certainly better, although I completely disagree with you there. I personally find watching in a language that is not native to me and that I do not understand to be a bit off to me, tolerable but it just doesn't feel natural. Now you see, that's the point and what these companies provide. They offer the choice because they respect the fact that not everyone is going to see things the same way and that catering only to dub advocates or purists isn't the right way to do business.

You can dislike dubs all you want, although your generalizations about their acting skills and the quality of the dub and release demonstrate a degree of bias so I'm forced to take that in to account. Either way, dislike them or hate them but most licensors still provide you with the sub so there's no reason to deny dub fans their right to choose. No one is making you watch it so it shouldn't even bother you if you find it that, amazingly, universally awful. And if you want to go to the source, feel free to do so as they probably get a lot more money from selling imports since they cost more and have fewer episodes per disc.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:40 pm Reply with quote
Keonyn wrote:
That's certainly better, although I completely disagree with you there. I personally find watching in a language that is not native to me and that I do not understand to be a bit off to me, tolerable but it just doesn't feel natural. Now you see, that's the point and what these companies provide. They offer the choice because they respect the fact that not everyone is going to see things the same way and that catering only to dub advocates or purists isn't the right way to do business.


It's all a matter of personal preference and I think a lot of it has to do with when you came into the fandom. If you came in back in the 70s when I did, you're much more likely to only want the original Japanese because back then, that's all you had a choice of. If you wanted to watch anime at all, you watched it in Japanese with no subtitles because that's all that was available. If you came in later when it was available dubbed on TV, then you're more likely to prefer dubs. Neither one is right or wrong, it's all personal preference.

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You can dislike dubs all you want, although your generalizations about their acting skills and the quality of the dub and release demonstrate a degree of bias so I'm forced to take that in to account.


No, there's nothing biased about it at all. Most of the people doing anime dubbing in the US aren't the world's greatest actors. It's like having to get Reba West drunk to sing Minmay's songs back with Robotech. Also, the pool of potential actors is very limited in the US so you get the same actor doing a bunch of voices in the same series or in series that are on at the same time. There was a time when you could play "count the Inu Yasha voices" on Cartoon Network. These aren't deniable facts, so for you to call it a bias is rather telling.

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Either way, dislike them or hate them but most licensors still provide you with the sub so there's no reason to deny dub fans their right to choose.


It's actually only been somewhat recently that things have been available with a sub, which I always thought was silly because subs are much cheaper to produce than dubs, but then again, most anime was produced for a TV audience so I guess it's understandable. There really is no excuse whatsoever for a DVD release not to have a sub-track though.

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No one is making you watch it so it shouldn't even bother you if you find it that, amazingly, universally awful. And if you want to go to the source, feel free to do so as they probably get a lot more money from selling imports since they cost more and have fewer episodes per disc.


Cool because I'm largely not. If the Japanese would release Region-1 DVDs, I'd be buying them, but since they're not, I go where the episodes are available. I've got tons of anime laserdiscs because they were available for play on US machines. The same cannot be said for DVDs.

Then again, the whole region coding nonsense was cooked up to support regional monopolies so I'm not very surprised.
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It's all a matter of personal preference and I think a lot of it has to do with when you came into the fandom. If you came in back in the 70s when I did, you're much more likely to only want the original Japanese because back then, that's all you had a choice of. If you wanted to watch anime at all, you watched it in Japanese with no subtitles because that's all that was available. If you came in later when it was available dubbed on TV, then you're more likely to prefer dubs. Neither one is right or wrong, it's all personal preference.


True, to an extent of course, there's no denying that you develop a preference based on the norm at the time you first get involved in the hobby/fandom. Just like someone who watches the subs before the domestic releases is going to be less inclined to listen to or enjoy the dub simply because it's different and not what they're accustomed to. Of course, I got involved with anime in the early to mid 90's and only watched subs at that time and was a huge advocate of subs only until the early 2000's when, frankly, the dub companies started to get their act together and release better dubs. At this point I watch both but prefer a good dub to a sub for reasons already mentioned. Of course, bad dubs still exist and I'll happily watch a sub over them any day.

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No, there's nothing biased about it at all. Most of the people doing anime dubbing in the US aren't the world's greatest actors. It's like having to get Reba West drunk to sing Minmay's songs back with Robotech. Also, the pool of potential actors is very limited in the US so you get the same actor doing a bunch of voices in the same series or in series that are on at the same time. There was a time when you could play "count the Inu Yasha voices" on Cartoon Network. These aren't deniable facts, so for you to call it a bias is rather telling.


Well, a generalization that all of something sucks represents a bias simply because it's highly unlikely that all of something is going to be that poor. There's always some shining examples and when so many people out there watch and enjoy dubs it's hard to believe that they all suck and those people just don't know anything. Chances are those people just aren't effected by an external viewpoint that those who blast the dubs are. While a lot of what you say is true to a degree it's not nearly as bad today as it used to be and I would venture to say that many english VA's can in fact act quite effectively. Again, it all comes down to preference and opinions.

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It's actually only been somewhat recently that things have been available with a sub, which I always thought was silly because subs are much cheaper to produce than dubs, but then again, most anime was produced for a TV audience so I guess it's understandable. There really is no excuse whatsoever for a DVD release not to have a sub-track though.


Well, at this point it's the here and now that matters really, and as for recently I'd say over the past 5 years or so as subs have been regularly available for years on most releases with only some exceptions.

However, we are getting a little off topic here so I guess I'll leave it there, I don't want to drag this down in to a sub vs. dub debate as that's just going to get locked. Ultimately however I don't really care if people hate dubs or only watch subs, as long as they don't argue against my rights to have dubs or view them that's fine.
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