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Vaisaga
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Second. Nichijou was so daring that it flopped hardcore. And no, that's not sarcasm. Just goes to show the otaku audience couldn't handle it. |
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danilo07
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In terms of animation it is the best show KyoAni has ever made , but I wouldn't call it daring really.
Flopped hardcore my ass, it increased sales of manga from 30 k to regular 150k.Disc sales amounted 2,7k , but it also had numerous box re-releases which significantly increased its sales. |
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Vaisaga
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Consider how they could have played it "safe" by making it another Lucky Star or K-ON, but instead they really cranked up the wierdness and did all sorts of crazy visual gags.
Really? I remember hearing there'd be no season 2 due to poor sales. I also remember seeing quite a few KyoAni fanboys hating on it. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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I suck at doing reviews lol. Always get caught up on how to properly express what I am thinking. I'll give them a shot though. Always feel my reviews sound...boring or simple. I'm also going to throw in support for these shows posted after my nomination post. Paprika House of 5 Leaves Lain Metropolis Samurai Girl/Bride |
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Galap
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Just a reminder, votes against need justifications.
Nominating: Birdy the Mighty: Decode A lot of the less kinetic moments of this are in something like a conventional style, but in the action scenes, things transition to a wide variety of styles that have a sort of central theme; variations on a theme if you will. I’d say the general commonalities a lot of them have is exaggerated depictions of momentum and force, motion through 3d space, and weight and gravity. A lot of this is achieved through ‘rugged’ looking drawings and ‘off model’ animation. One sequence was so daring as to piss a lot of people off: when the episode that contained it aired, it was met with such an outcry that it was replaced with something more conventional in the DVD version. Because the style featured such a departure from what came before (but only really represented taking the series’ typical aesthetic and turning it up to 11), and the drawing was so rough and boxy, people thought it looked bad. Here’s the original TV version, by Tomoyuki Niho, in all its glory. I love the way she springs up and leaps around in the moving background, and you can really feel the force of her jumping, landing, and smashing the robots. You get real insights into her mental state, too, from a combination of her facial expressions and the drawing style. This part had an interesting intentional use of low framerate. I think I read somewhere that the animator timed the drawings according to a musical rhythm. I think it looks really cool. I think everything culminates in the final fight of the series, which depicts extremes of momentum and force that I’ve never seen before or since. This and the earlier Tomoyuki Niho stuff were the things that triggered my interest in animation. More video: 1 2 |
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danilo07
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Even if if we take it that Kadokawa made "daring" business move by making a decision to adapt Nichijou (which they didn't), it is still only a daring business move not an aesthetically daring show.I think that an anime is abundant with random visual gags that you speak of , I can't remember the last I watched comedy anime without big dose of weirdness to back it up.
Yeah really, people continually exaggerate Nichijou's sales. |
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One-Eye
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I'd also just like to point out if you aren't familiar with it is that part of the process of these tournaments is to nominate stuff and somethings will be voted up, some down and some wont make the cutoff list because of lack of votes. The ones that make it into these kinds of tournaments go into brackets often with a range from strong contenders all the way down to marginal. Usually marginal stuff doesn't make it past the first round or two depending on how many competitors there are. Strong arguments can influence how far a contender can go in the tourney and yes there will be some popular anime involved. However, as you can see by the reaction in this thread to some of the nominations its no guarantee that popular works will wholly dominate. I hope you participate, because the more diversity of opinion keeps everything fresh.
Vote against Nagi no Asukara Sorry, Tsuna. 
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rheiders
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Sorry if this has already been answered somewhere, but does "aesthetically daring" only include visual elements? When I hear that phrase I also immediately think of sound design and music, but only visual elements seem to be under discussion so I wanted to make sure.
Voting for: Serial Experiments Lain Metropolis Birdy the Mighty: Decode Nominating: Last Exile This show successfully combines CG animation and traditional hand-drawn animation in an interesting way. The machines and many of the backgrounds are created with CG, while the character animation is generally done traditionally. While Gonzo used a lot of (generally bad) CG in their shows back in the day—Gankutsuou is a good example of Gonzo over-relying on bad CG—IMO Last Exile is the only one where it really, really works. The aircraft designs themselves are pretty unique and lovely to look at as well. OP (Normally I wouldn't link to the OP to demonstrate a show's overall animation style, but I think this one gets it across pretty well.) Summer Wars The "real-world" parts of this film look pretty conventional for anime, and certainly aren’t anything new for Mamoru Hosoda. However, the Oz sequences of this movie more than merit a nomination. The avatar designs are a ton of fun and the overall design of the virtual world of Oz is extremely creative and aesthetically beautiful. The animation in these sequences is even more kinetic and full of energy than Hosoda’s normal style, which is saying something. Introduction to Oz King Kazma vs Love Machine The Animatrix: “Kid’s Story” Much like the movie it’s based off of, The Animatrix is mainly an exercise in style, and several of the shorts are pretty daring. This short has a very simple plot—following a teen try to outrun a group of Agents—so it’s Kazuto Nakazawa’s unique animation for the short that is the primary reason to watch. The semi-realistic but very sketchy style and highly kinetic, expressionist outlines create a uniquely frantic atmosphere that I’ve never really seen anywhere else. Man, it's hard to find just clips from a seven-minute short. The Animatrix: “World Record” This is another style-over-substance animation short that tells a simple story about an Olympic athlete running a race despite physical complications. With the exaggerated proportions and movements of the main character, you can really feel his exertion as he lunges toward the finish line with single-minded determination. When he accidentally breaks through the Matrix through sheer force of will, you understand. Running Breaking out of the Matrix --- I'll also point out that when I supported Soul Eater, it wasn't just for the spooky designs (though for me, art style is going to be a big factor in this tournament--as someone studying art and not animation, it just happens to interest me somewhat more^^). I love the way the show distorts and skews the backgrounds and perspectives to suit a particular mood. The show deals a lot with madness, and it's interesting watching as a POV character falls deeper into madness, their own proportions and the background around them becomes more and more distorted to match. It's a really nice touch and while I don't think this show will make it that far in the tournament, I do think it deserves a spot. Oh, and for anybody whining about how Madoka Magica is just the same old SHAFT stuff (I disagree, but I'll save that for the tournament unless it looks like the show won't get in)--by that logic, we should just disallow any Shinbo show from being nominated because nearly every style element he uses frequently was borrowed from Ikuhara. "Another show did it first" just seems like a very reductive and counterproductive line of logic to use here where much more interesting discussions could be had about artistic choices and reasoning. So what? Which show did it better? What does the choice mean for each show? Why was the choice made in favor of other, perhaps more conventional options? Which show takes the choice further? Last edited by rheiders on Sun Jun 22, 2014 12:11 am; edited 2 times in total |
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marie-antoinette
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Fixed. |
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SethMosrite
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[quote="danilo07"]
I think it is clear to most that the aesthetics of Nichijou are more daring than average visual gags. The most memorable moments are the mundane events amplified to epic proportions or minimized until we see every detail but Nichijou goes far beyond that. I would point to the show within the show "Helvetica Standard", the "Like Love" and "Short Thoughts" segments. Also the photo-realistic nature shots inserted between scenes. Even the character models themselves are not static, KyoAni seems to have half a dozen different models for each character depending on the goals of the scene. Nichijou is "audaciously bold", especially for a slice of life comedy. In my opinion, it is more than qualified for a spot in this tournament. |
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Akane the Catgirl
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Now Supporting:
Summer Wars Before I make my final nomination, I would like to apologize for previously putting up Attack on Titan. I have made a huge mistake, and it shall not be made again. With that, please instead consider the following: AKIRA: If this movie has anything, it's budget, budget, budget. Easily the biggest strength the film has is it's beautiful animation and editing, brought to us by none other than the creator of the original manga, Katsuhiro Otomo. Particularly noticeable to me is the character animation, none of which I have ever seen in any other anime. Of course, you can never forget the action sequences or the creepy transformation scene at the end. Please nominate this. (And Bebop, why is nobody voting for that?) Well, I couldn't find a good video. Instead, have a picture of Tetsuo's mutant arm. Last edited by Akane the Catgirl on Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:25 am; edited 1 time in total |
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TsunaReborn!
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 no need to apologise - I'm not taking any of this personally. This kind of tournament is very subjective - I can see why many would nominate against it but for me I would class Nagi as a little daring or different. That's why we have this voting stage to cut out the inappropriate nominations or very weak contenders.
Though I will throw some support for Akira - I was going to nominate it myself but it guessed that someone would do it and write it much better than I would
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Merida
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That would depend on whether or not the source material is supposed to be relevant here and as far as i understood the rules, it is not (correct me if i'm wrong)? |
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Ignatz
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Is no one going to nominate Kaiba and The Tatami Galaxy?
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danilo07
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I might nominate them later , but if you want to be my guest. |
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