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Harleyquin



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:01 am Reply with quote
RedSwirl wrote:
Next few episodes might diverge from the manga.

https://twitter.com/yabshu55/status/1198980206817464321

https://twitter.com/yabshu55/status/1196846098599440384

ACxS wrote:


But one thing, though...

spoiler[how the **** does he know what shogi is?]


Yeah the translation probably should've just said Chess.


Because the original line is 戦は将棋とは違うんだよな. This is a Japanese writer writing a period piece set in the Viking Ages, it's no surprise he uses terms which his core audience understands (Shougi comes readily into mind for the Japanese, not to mention unlike chess the concept of betrayal is incorporated into the game rules).

For that matter, Vikings would have known about chess or one of its primitive variants as evidenced by the Lewis chess set in the British Museum. Unfortunately the writer has to cater for his core audience, while translators doing this series can't substitute Shougi for Chess because the board games are completely different and not perfect substitutes when it comes to accurate translation.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 26, 2019 10:05 am Reply with quote
It's times like these when breaking the fourth wall is much more hassle-free than being faithful to historical accuracy.

Every time I see two characters from different cultural backgrounds talk to each other like natives in an anime (except for this one apparently), I'll be down for it.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2019 6:18 pm Reply with quote
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Long time no see, Floki. You have no recollection of who Thorfinn is, so the only one who can tell him of your involvement in Thors's death is Askeladd and he's not going to say anything unless it's to his benefit. Floki is in Harald's camp, so it's a nasty surprise for him to see Cnut the way he is rather than the soft weakling he was previously.

This is the first time viewers see Sweyn Forkbeard in the flesh, although he's so old now the Forkbeard moniker no longer applies. It's quite something for the writer to set up an attempted assassination in the King's Hall, only for Askeladd to intervene and defuse the situation. What's really interesting is how Sweyn managed to accurately ascertain Askeladd's background just from his name, as well as the reaction which it elicited which surprised even Thorfinn with its intensity. Sweyn has now marked Askeladd as a dangerous foe, which is an added complication for the pirate leader at another crossroads in his life. How ironic that the one follower remaining from his pirate days is Thorfinn, who wants to kill him in a duel first chance he gets.

The historical record for Cnut shows he did become ruler of the Danelaw, but it is not as straightforward as it appears in this series. I'm not sure how the series will approach this in the remaining airtime it has, but the internecine plotting cannot be drawn out if there's to be a satisfactory conclusion to this adaptation.

Another face not see for a long time is Leif Erikson. He's been looking for Thorfinn all this time, and he's now close with Thorfinn presumably still in Gainsborough.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 02, 2019 7:28 am Reply with quote
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I see how the story is going to be now: a complex game of chess (or shogi, if you find this reference acceptable). Rather than deciding what to do, it's more about knowing what not to do; in this case, it's about achieving the long-term goal.

King Sweyn is right about one thing: Askeladd is the one guy he should be wary about, perhaps even more than future usurper Canute. He deduced Askeladd's background quite sharply but I can tell that he's doing it for a reason: he said it out of spite towards Askeladd for talking back (it could be just a callous passing remark, but I personally don't think so). Not sure if he knows that Askeladd felt the 'burn', nor if he predicted correctly that Askeladd wouldn't lose his cool in that delicate situation. And in turn Askeladd learns that King Sweyn is no coot; he's the king for a reason.

I'm not sure how Floki's role will play out from now on as far as Thorfinn is concerned. Only Askeladd knows his involvement in Thors's death, but of course the wily ol' man will keep this extra info for later use. Not sure how Leif's imminent appearance will play out, either.

Looks like the new battleground - literally and figuratively - will be in York.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:08 pm Reply with quote
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1014, York. It will not be long before Sweyn's historical fate is decided, but before that there is the small matter of Thorfinn and Askeladd to settle. Askeladd is doing all he can to fulfil Cnut's wish to become King, but he may not live to see the Prince crowned as Thorfinn wants him dead before the Royal Council. Cnut is serving as witness to the duel, but will he stop it if Askeladd is going to die? Of the two assets at his disposal, the more important he needs to stay ahead in the race for the throne is certainly Askeladd.

Long time no see, Leif Erikson. Eleven years have changed you so much Thorfinn doesn't recognise you. For that matter, Thorfinn is completely unrecognisable from the brat who was a stowaway on his Father's ship. It's interesting Thorfinn didn't ask about his family, but about Vinland first of all. Even if he gets his revenge, Thorfinn intends to start a new life in Vinland where he believes there won't be war and he can find peace. Surprisingly, his mother is still alive despite looking like she had consumption shortly after Thors was killed.

Bjorn must have challenged Askeladd knowing he didn't have much time left before a natural death, and the berserker preferred to die at the hands of his commander and friend to give him a chance to go to Valhalla. It wasn't a fair fight since Bjorn looked dead on his feet from fever, but Askeladd didn't sweat too much in finishing him off with a single blow so Thorfinn doesn't get too much of an advantage going second. Not long to go, and if earlier posts are any indication this series will deviate from its source material to give a definitive conclusion to the adaptation. I'm not bothered either way, so long as the ending is satisfactory.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 12:08 am Reply with quote
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Askeladd masterminding a conspiracy, Viking style. Hiring a hit-man to "assassinate" not-Canute and making Thorfinn clean up the mess (that's what Thorfinn is to Askeladd, isn't it: errand boy), and even Canute is in it. It's basically Game of Thrones right now: the end justifies the means, and it's more about outwitting your enemies than outwardly killing them in honorable duels (as how Thorfinn pointed out when scouting the King's residence).

But that raises the question: what about Canute's resolve to create 'Paradise' and his advocacy for God's love? Violence is not the answer, unless it's for the purpose of propelling him to power? Now you can start to see that nobody is exactly virtuous here, including Canute. Justify his cause all you want; if bringing Paradise means wasting a few lives and hatching conspiracies, then it's fine right?

I think something bad is going to happen to Erikson. Thorfinn, the ever revenge-obsessed errand boy, keeps looking forward to killing Askeladd without being aware that he still have plenty to lose (not just his father). It's also tragic because it's tragic: Erikson has no idea what Thorfinn has done (killing, assisting in pillaging) for more than a decade just to have his fight with Askeladd. There's no way the kid is just going to turn around and go home; if something bad does happen to Erikson, then Thorfinn is going down the void even further.

btw im changing my avatar; thorkell is too awesum
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 4:44 am Reply with quote
ACxS wrote:
But that raises the question: what about Canute's resolve to create 'Paradise' and his advocacy for God's love? Violence is not the answer, unless it's for the purpose of propelling him to power? Now you can start to see that nobody is exactly virtuous here, including Canute. Justify his cause all you want; if bringing Paradise means wasting a few lives and hatching conspiracies, then it's fine right?


Canute did not seem to be aware that the body double was going to be assassinated, that Askeladd, and Canute tried to have her saved and ordered that no more such body doubles be sacrificed.
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