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Skylark



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:27 pm Reply with quote
Exaar wrote:
I just re-watched the end of the episode because of all this talk of spoiler[Nunally hearing Lelouche's voice.] I totally didn't think that at all the first time I watched it, and after reviewing it, I still don't think she did.

Her reaction to me looks more like spoiler[basically, she had a 'bad feeling', as if she knew something had just happened but wasn't sure what. It's the kind of storytelling tactic they use a lot in shows, anime and otherwise. Something dramatic will happen, and the character in question will be shown looking troubled/surprised even though they have no real knowledge of what is happening. I don't think she actually heard him at all.]

I think that's all it is.


I think it was pretty obvious that her reaction was triggered by spoiler[Lelouch screaming "Nunally" at the top of his lungs - it's hardly something Zero would scream out, but Lelouch on the other hand.. She can hardly brush it aside. It would be completely retarded for Zero to yell that out unless Zero was in fact Lelouch, otherwise why would he care about her at all, or go to such lengths just to talk to her? I think Zero's secret identity won't be much of a secret for too much longer.]

EDIT: Also, I'm interested in knowing what Lelouch is going to do now that spoiler[his whole reason for fighting just threw a load of his own righteousness in his face. Without Nunally's support, how can he possibly say the new world he creates will be all for her, or something she wants?]

What really annoys me is Suzaku... he grates my nerves to no end. spoiler[Doesn't he have any dignity? Fighting for a country that established a dictatorship over his home country to such lengths that he betrays his childhood friend for it? I really don't see his motivation.] Also, I don't like that spoiler[Nunally argues against the violence or whatever when she is born from a country of tyrants who used violence to establish themselves into Nippon anyway. Everyone seems to have forgotten the mass murder in the Shinjuku getto (or wherever it was) under Clovis.]

That said, I'm still thoroughly enjoying this show; the gripes are minor because it's the diverse characters that make this show appealing to me. I'm just antsy about how it's all going to end/what questions are going to get answered and when.
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rainbowcourage



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:49 pm Reply with quote
Skylark wrote:
Exaar wrote:
I just re-watched the end of the episode because of all this talk of spoiler[Nunally hearing Lelouche's voice.] I totally didn't think that at all the first time I watched it, and after reviewing it, I still don't think she did.
[/spoiler]

I think that's all it is.


I think it was pretty obvious that her reaction was triggered by spoiler[Lelouch screaming "Nunally" at the top of his lungs ]


Agreed. It was kind of like this:
spoiler[Lelouch: NUNALLY!!
Nunally: *blinking* Huh? What was that? MY BROTHER??]
well, maybe not quite so much, but still.


Skylark wrote:
What really annoys me is Suzaku... he grates my nerves to no end. spoiler[Doesn't he have any dignity? Fighting for a country that established a dictatorship over his home country to such lengths that he betrays his childhood friend for it? I really don't see his motivation.] Also, I don't like that spoiler[Nunally argues against the violence or whatever when she is born from a country of tyrants who used violence to establish themselves into Nippon anyway. Everyone seems to have forgotten the mass murder in the Shinjuku getto (or wherever it was) under Clovis.]

I am so agreed here, but I would like to make the point that Westlo did for me a while ago:
spoiler[Lelouch murdered Euphie and then dragged her name through the mud. And Suzaku knows how that went down. That would be like Lelouch selling Suzaku out for doing a similar thing to C.C., which to us Lelouch-lovers would be totally justified.]. Other than that, I think Suzaku is a hypocritical eunuch. As for Nunally spoiler[ she's very sweet and innocent, so I understand her reasoning. I think we'll have to see, though, once she finds out Lelouch is Zero, if her loyalty to her convictions or her brother is stronger; I certainly hope she chooses the latter. I think he should just tell her, she might be surprisingly strong for her brother and be able to act her part. It could also make things less painful for Lelouch if she accepted him (or more painful if she rejects him.)]
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Exaar



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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:07 pm Reply with quote
Well I think it was triggered by it, I just don't think she actually heard him. It seemed like more of a drama shot than an actual reaction shot to me.

I don't think she realizes spoiler[Lelouche is Zero.] I could be wrong though, guess we'll see next week.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:46 am Reply with quote
i don't know about this i think she currently thinks zero is a terrorist and is just going about killing she doesn't know the entire truth-which is probably because suzaku and the others are keeping her in the dark i imagian also that nunnaly's hearing is better than average due to her blindness
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:29 am Reply with quote
What interests me the most is the reference the emperor made to V.V.
spoiler[Let us kill G-d remark.
Now I wonder what that means. Are they discussing a literal/physical death, or what I am leaning towards an ironical/spiritual death of G-d. Think about it. What if the emperor did all these things to Lelouch on purpose so as to create the most Machiavellian, non-ethical human ever alive. Would that not kill the spirit of G-d? Would that not make the best Prince? Maybe the emperor is training Lelouch to become the next emperor, the most political cunning emperor Britannia has ever known. Maybe all this struggle and strife, the touching of the abyss, is making Lelouch the perfect replacement of the emperor and will lead to the death of G-d. Lelouch the manifestation of the Uebermensch??? Maybe...]
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:59 am Reply with quote
^ That's more or less what I've been thinking from about halfway or so through season 1. That the emperor seems to spoiler[be guiding him into becoming like himself] and although I realize it's pretty much impossible at this point I wish spoiler[Lulouch would find some way to cooperate with Suzaku and Nunally's plan and still get his vengence somehow.] I have a feeling though that this series is not going to end all happy-like though.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:47 am Reply with quote
I wonder...spoiler[ how does the planet Jupiter play in all this? To me right now, it may have some sort of significance to the Emperor and V.V.'s god remark.]
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:55 am Reply with quote
Facade19 wrote:
What interests me the most is the reference the emperor made to V.V.
spoiler[Let us kill G-d remark.
Now I wonder what that means. Are they discussing a literal/physical death, or what I am leaning towards an ironical/spiritual death of G-d. Think about it. What if the emperor did all these things to Lelouch on purpose so as to create the most Machiavellian, non-ethical human ever alive. Would that not kill the spirit of G-d? Would that not make the best Prince? Maybe the emperor is training Lelouch to become the next emperor, the most political cunning emperor Britannia has ever known. Maybe all this struggle and strife, the touching of the abyss, is making Lelouch the perfect replacement of the emperor and will lead to the death of G-d. Lelouch the manifestation of the Uebermensch??? Maybe...]


Over thinking much? (Would be cool if it were true). It has some merit though like when in the first season lelouch uses the geass on euphie. the emperor is happy about it??? not a reaction shared by many parents when their daughter dies.
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BladeDragoonZETA



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 6:57 am Reply with quote
ChaosDragun wrote:
I wonder...spoiler[ how does the planet Jupiter play in all this? To me right now, it may have some sort of significance to the Emperor and V.V.'s god remark.]


it's all about Za Powa! obviously

It (with some help ChoRyuJin) killed the dinosaurs after all (those jerks deserved it)

[bets noone here gets it)
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:37 am Reply with quote
After watching the sub, many things became clear for me. The reasone why the Gurren was sospoiler[overpowerd]wasn't for the sake of it like many mech shows tend to do, but becausespoiler[the Black Knights had no choise but to place all, and I do mean all, thier avialble technology into this knightmare. Hadn't they done so, they would have had no solid form of attack, as the Britanin models were far advanced and powerful than any of thier models. This doesn't forgive the whole ''upgrade'' sequnce. Yes, it was cool and everything, but it reminded me of watching Shinn Asuka pose in the Destiny ( although I like Karen more than I will ever like Shinn)]

Regarding the last sequencespoiler[I can understand what went wrong with it. It was ment to show that Lelouch has lost Nunnally to Suzaku, the person who has sold him to the Emperor, and show his despair. Due to the way the scene was handled and the action presented in the episode, the entire sequence ended becoming werid.]

But over all, I thought that the episode was good.
Lloyd was the charcter that I had been wating for his return the most, and in no way does he disapoint. His reactions and comments are the best. Gino actually becomes likable when he acts his age and not like a snoppy 12 year old rich girl who clings to the main charcters all the time, and the Tristan is becoming one of my faviorate new Knighmares. The hint about spoiler[Orange-Kun bing alive] was nice to hear as well.

spoiler[Jun Fukuyama really was amazing this episode. After Lelouch had killed so many to the point where you can see the blood on the door of the garden, and you listen to his crule voice filled with indeiffrence, and after you here his voice once he sees Nunnally and the tendeness that comes with it, he captured the emotiones of Lelouch perfectly.]

By the way,did any one one notice Nunnally's legs? Ignoring the elf shoes, I had always asumed that there should have been some sort of scars from the shooting, but they seem normal. Could it be that her legs are fine (physically) but she has the same resriction as her eyesight? Then agian, they might just seem normal, and she just can't walk. Sad

BladeDragoonZETA wrote:
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ChaosDragun wrote:
I wonder...spoiler[ how does the planet Jupiter play in all this? To me right now, it may have some sort of significance to the Emperor and V.V.'s god remark.]




it's all about Za Powa! obviously

It (with some help ChoRyuJin) killed the dinosaurs after all (those jerks deserved it)

[bets noone here gets it)


Jupiter is the mascot plant for sunrise aparintly (its included in many of thier prouductions. Cowboy Bebob, Gundam SEED and 00 seem to all have the plant have some sort of event hapaning from alians to building advanced technology, Jupiter is the place where things seem to happen)[/quote]


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:19 pm Reply with quote
Facade19 wrote:
What interests me the most is the reference the emperor made to V.V.
spoiler[Let us kill G-d remark.
Now I wonder what that means. Are they discussing a literal/physical death, or what I am leaning towards an ironical/spiritual death of G-d. Think about it. What if the emperor did all these things to Lelouch on purpose so as to create the most Machiavellian, non-ethical human ever alive. Would that not kill the spirit of G-d? Would that not make the best Prince? Maybe the emperor is training Lelouch to become the next emperor, the most political cunning emperor Britannia has ever known. Maybe all this struggle and strife, the touching of the abyss, is making Lelouch the perfect replacement of the emperor and will lead to the death of G-d. Lelouch the manifestation of the Uebermensch??? Maybe...]


I think he meant spoiler[literal Gods. And I bet C.C. and V.V. are somehow related to the Gods, although C.C. might not remember it (sounds like another big story arc to me... Lelouch wants to rule the world-- no! the universe!) The Gods might be on Jupiter.]

ChaosDragun wrote:
I wonder...spoiler[ how does the planet Jupiter play in all this? To me right now, it may have some sort of significance to the Emperor and V.V.'s god remark.]


spoiler[I also think Lulu's mom is there.]
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 3:17 am Reply with quote
I really don't think the upgraded Gurren is that powerful... it was its showcase episode... it will probably not look as strong for a long time... also Suzaku never went all out against it and Gino said it's time for us to get serious after the AOE attack. Now if the other two knightmares used that Core Luminoius Cone thing that Suzaku used to rescue Nunnally things would have been different.

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:23 am Reply with quote
I've never thought of the Gurren's upgrade as an overpowered super mech in the first place. Considering the mechs that Britannia has and upgraded Lancelot, there wasn't exactly anyway the Black Knight could've fought on par with Britannia.

And as stated by Westlo, it won't be shown that strong anymore. I'll assume that when they encounter the Gurren again, Suzaku and the two other Knights of Round will go full out.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:11 am Reply with quote
I am just afraid that's the course the fighting style is going to take, ie which suit has the bigger gun. That's Gundam stuff that I can do without.

At this rate, I'm sure the useless but obligatory impale scene will show up at some point.
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:56 pm Reply with quote
I think I should note the BK have several upgrades on the way
spoiler[
Akatsuki-(MP Gekkas),
http://www.geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_08.html

Akatsuki (Four Swords?)
http://www.geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_15.html

Zangetsu (Tohdoh's Akatsuki)
http://www.geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_14.html]


I'm afraid I know very little beyond the names
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