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Gozar
 Posts: 63 Location: The Future |
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I've been thinking about this a lot lately...And there seem to be a large number of series that are dragging on these days. I think a lot of them need to end really soon. Too many are going the DragonBall route and trying to keep going and going.
This is how I see things, there's a certain point when a series peaks. Then if it continues for a bit longer I view it as "pushing the envelope"...At that point it's still not bad but will start to lose interest in a general fanbase. Speaking as a HUGE DragonBall fan, I believe the Cell Era was not pushing it too far and where it peaked. However the Buu Era really started pushing the envelope and it's a good thing it ended there Manga wise considering Toriyama combined so many older elements into that 1 Era. But anyway, my point is...DragonBall was able to get by in that Buu Era and still be good because it's DragonBall. DB is really the series that started the trend of long running, on going, plot driven, fighting series. However I see series like Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, & Detective Conan all starting to run past their prime in my opinion. For me, Naruto peaked my interest a little bit after the Time Skip. One Piece is still able to maintain a high level of er..."awesome"...But I question how much longer it can go on. Bleach is still good but I feel the current Arc needs to be the last and the series should rap up. Detective Conan I feel really started getting tiresome after a while and I found myself wanting the series to close up and finally have Kudo back in his regular body. Does anyone else share my feelings? |
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fighterholic
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I can definetly agree with you about Detective Conan. I firmly believe that is has been going for too long and that is why I stopped caring about the series. The cases, even with the variety of how the tricks are pulled off, are too repetitive. I hear the same kind of stuff over and over, or the same excuses. Hence why I don't even bother to follow it at all. Although it was interesting for a time.
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cool3865
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but think about it, its only a minority of anime that do the 100+ episodes, many are doing 26 or 13 episodes.
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Ggultra2764
 Posts: 4056 Location: New York state. |
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The popularity of shows like Detective Conan, Dragon Ball Z, Inuyasha, and Naruto tend to be the reason why animation studios run such shows for as long as possible. They want the ratings and money from animating and broadcasting these shows. These shows become a big pop culture craze for anime fans for a short time and then it eventually fizzles out to the next big thing. In the late 90s to early 2000s, there was enough exposure from Dragon Ball Z. Then Inuyasha came in. And now Naruto is on the minds of crazed fans.
I've used the term "anime craze" to describe any title that runs for hundreds of episodes at a time that tries dragging on the series for as long as possible just for animators and the original creator to profit from it. Characters normally follow specific archetypes that have been seen in past anime to allow fans to develop an easy connection to that character. Plotting and character depth is also usually kept simple so fans can quickly become sucked into the series. Anything too complex would turn off a majority of viewers. And hundreds of episodes are nothing if you know about Doraemon as this children's series has aired a whopping 1,276 episodes since first airing in Japan on April 2, 1979. |
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Historian of the Moon
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I see no problems here. Almost all the long running series fall into one of the following categories.
1. The series is divided into distinct arcs or seasons. The nth season solves all or almost all of the problems that were presented in seasons 1-n so that the ending to the nth season can be taken as an ending to the series. If a person still likes the series, then he can proceed to the (n+1)th season. If not, just ignore the rest. 2. The series is almost entirely episodic, and the starting point, viewing order, and ending point are entirely up to the discretion of the viewer. The only exception I can think of is Inuyasha. Naruto might be an offender as well, but I've not enough knowledge to judge. Why does it matter that the series continues for the obviously sufficient quantity of fans who want more? |
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Ggultra2764
Posts: 4056 Location: New York state. |
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Because there comes a point where fans grow tired over the dragging and repetitious developments of long-running anime titles. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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I must say that I'm surprised Naruto is still ongoing. After what happened to Rurouni Kenshin, I'd have thought that the infamous Naruto fillers would have sunk it already. But no, it was never canceled.
Perhaps the reason that the two series received different treatments was that of the target audience. Kenshin was aimed at teens, an older audience than Naruto. It should be no surprise that when the Kyoto arc finished, and the filler started, no-one wanted to watch it anymore. Naruto set it's sights lower, and appealed directly to the intended audience of kids with a main character who was as hyperactive as his viewers. And since kids usually watch solely for the moving pictures and cool fighting moves, as long as the production staff actually bother to animate it while throwing in a few special attacks now and then, they can maintain their core demographic. I suppose the same can be said for Pokemon. As long as it has the basic formula down pat, then it can continue to be broadcast for seasons on end. All shows attempt to make money. It's caused by Capitalism, and it is every show's raison d'être. But it is sad in a way, when making money becomes so important that they would butcher a series just to keep the merchandising revenue rolling in long after the show has turned a healthy profit. And when their cash cow has finally run out of milk, they find something else to sink their claws into. Of course, I could - nay, I should - be wondering why us adults even care about an Anime that was targeted towards children, an Anime that wasn't even all that amazing even at the best of times. |
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v1cious
 Posts: 6284 Location: Houston, TX |
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i could be wrong, but the pace the manga is going indicates that Bleach will probably end next year... unless of course they find some way to drag it out.
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Veoryn87
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I'm personally more worried about anime running for too short of a time than too long of a time. We get too many anime out there like His and Her Circumstances and Berserk that have great stories and characters, but then they just STOP! What the hell? There's so much potential in those stories, but they never get fully realized because for some reason new seasons are never made. They may have the excuse "just read the manga," but I dont' WANT to read the manga. I want to watch the anime. Maybe I'm being selfish here, but I'm willing to bet there are other non-manga readers like me that would love to just continue watching more Berserk rather than having to read it.
I don't know, for long running series I can at least decide myself when I want to stop. Maybe because the story is getting dull or maybe the production values are getting worse, but it's better than getting an "ending" thrown in my face before I'm prepared for it. |
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abynormal
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Let's not forget about the real moneymaker in entertainment: merchandising. As long as a show is running, they can keep making and selling clothes, toys and trinkets with the name and characters on them. Anime stores in Tokyo have entire aisles dedicated to Naruto, Bleach and One Piece merchandise. Merchandise brings additional income to a series, and the longer they can keep the gravy train going the better. |
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TheTheory
 Posts: 1029 Location: Central PA |
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The current arc is a filler, so it definitely will not be the last. And compared with Naruto (I don't watch One Piece or Detective Conan, so I don't know about them), Bleach feels like it has come by 180 episodes much more naturally and honestly. Bleach at this point can keep on going as long as it feels natural. On the other hand, Naruto would greatly please me if it would finish this arc (soon) then finish the series in the following arc. That isn't going to happen. But the reason we got to this point with Naruto is the bad filler. Bleach has so far escaped the bad filler curse and, as such, has earned the right to continue to stick around. |
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LKK
 Posts: 426 Location: Virginia, USA |
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I agree with Veoryn87. Series that stop too soon without reaching a conclusion are much more of an annoyance than series that go on too long. If a series outlives its interest level, I'll just drift away from it with only a few twinges of regret. But a series that just stops or worse -- hints at more without delivering -- is very frustrating to me. |
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AnimeCon
 Posts: 52 Location: USA |
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I like some of my anime long. Naruto should keep going and going like DBZ, its good for the series. One Piece which I love should end soon though, unfortunately.
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Ggultra2764
Posts: 4056 Location: New York state. |
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Anime that drag on and on are worst for me. They lack any significant plot progression or character development. Not to mention with episodes running in the hundreds that animation quality is stale since corners are cut to conserve on the budget such as heavy use of reused frames or still shots. With 13 or 26 episodes, there is proper planning on what areas of a manga series (if the anime is based on a manga source) to cover and an animation budget can be worked out to create a better quality production. Sure most titles will lack a reasonable ending. But, the other qualities of that series which made it so good will make up for the lack of ending. |
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v1cious
Posts: 6284 Location: Houston, TX |
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i think he's talking about the manga. |
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