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vashna
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 1:20 pm |
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I hope this isn't doubling with another thread, but I searched and couldn't find anything on it. I've wondered about this for a while. I constantly see people writing about illegal mainland Chinese and Hong Kong bootleg anime DVD sets. Let me be the first to say I don't condone bootlegging and wouldn't invest my money in one. I'd much rather have a legitimate release.
That being said, I've been wondering where the Chinese bootlegs get voice actors. I understand quite a few of them that aren't just copied off of legitimate releases have a Chinese dub. I can assume the subtitles (which I've heard are equally bad in Chinese Traditional, Chinese Simplified, and English) are written in some guy's basement with a computer. But how can it be dubbed in? I realize that things tend to be laxer in these kind of cases, but how does an illegal operation go about finding a recording studio, actors, etc?
Thanks for the insight! I want to let it be known, once more, that I am only wondering and not trying to break any law myself.
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Mister V
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 1:29 pm |
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I saw a couple of, er, "dubs". They weren't Chinese, but they illustrate the point perfectly: it's just a guy reading subtitles in a (sometimes quite awful) monotone. Sort of like pirate "dubs" of movies back in the 90s (might still exist in China though). It's even more awful when they actually try to act *shudders*
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TheTheory
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 1:36 pm |
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Some are probably Aniplex dubs... or some other Asia-centered anime tv distributor. Since all of those different Asian countries speak different languages, often the best way to reach an audience without making a thousand different dubs is to use English.
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ShinobiX
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:51 pm |
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uh that's why its called organized crime so um yeah you're not going to get an answer and anyone who attempts to answer is just bull shitting you. However what we do know:
For starters, pirating/bootlegging is HUGE over there and it's nearly impossible to control. You can steal anything online over there and you wouldn't really have to worry about the law. You think anime is bad lol Chinese people have so much bootlegged porn/movies its hilarious (well I find it funny). Anyway, yes China has laws, but like America, China doesn't really enforce their laws because of the lack of man power. Kind of find that blatant lie hard to believe, but whatever. When you have weak laws, corruption ensues (corruption is unbelievably rampant over there. was, is, will be). Now, I don't participate in Chinese illegal activities nor do I know much about them, but I would assume organized crime in China is similar to organized crime in America. With that being said, no crime is small. Each member is part of a larger syndicate. The bootleg dvds is just a small slice of the huge pie. In order for the smaller guys to operate they get the usual muscle, product, and capital. People in crime are business men so they know how the saying "You Have To Spend Money to Make Money" works. The criminals pay off people (bribes), rent out/ buy the studios you were talking about, know where to sell there shit. Location is key. Anyway, if the operation is big enough (meaning their profit numbers are huge), it'll start to look legitimate. The criminals will start to hire real actors, buy advance equipment etc. Now this is just a brief overview of what they would do. Each step has its own minor steps and so on.
Often, the idiots you see in the paper were the ones working solo. Words of wisdom, you don't go into crime solo.
Also, similar does not mean same. Two different words. Just saying because so many idiots started shit because they don't know the definition of that word. Not offending anyone, just saying. Similar does not equal same i.e. American crime is not the same as Chinese crime. I said it's similar meaning they share common qualities.
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dormcat
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:45 pm |
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| vashna wrote: | | I constantly see people writing about illegal mainland Chinese and Hong Kong bootleg anime DVD sets. |
Not on this website, at least.
| vashna wrote: | | I understand...which I've heard... |
| ShinobiX wrote: | | ...nor do I know much about them, but I would assume... |
Just how many of you can tell the differences between traditional Chinese, simplified Chinese, HKSCS-specific characters, Japanese kanji, and Vietnamese chữ Nôm?
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zgripţuroicǎ
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Posted: Tue May 25, 2010 10:49 pm |
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I've been ripped off more than a few times before I learned how to spot Hong Kong/Chinese bootlegs. For the most part, it looks to me like they just get a legit copy, rip the audio and video and then fiddle it around to make eight episodes fit on a disc. Much easier, cheaper and less risky than ShinobiX's bribe scheme. You just need the right technological know-how, a decent computer and a whole lot of blank DVDs and the machines necessary to package it. If anywhere in that chain, the places where they make the packaging and discs are where you'll see bribes, but for the most part, the Chinese government doesn't really care too much about copyright or other poncy capitalist ideas.
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vashna
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 11:57 am |
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Oh, Dormcat I didn't mean to give the impression that anyone here would encourage the use of such things. I find ANN's forums to be pretty clean; like they should be.
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Shiroi Hane
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Posted: Wed May 26, 2010 12:18 pm |
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I had some CCS bootlegs, and I remember the english subs being a little "quaint" and very literal. I have a legit R3 box set of Gatekeepers 21 where the English subs are awful. I have never come across dubs produced illegally for use on bootlegs (but neither have I looked for them) - the only unofficial dubs I have ever come across are fandubs, which are usually short clips or single episodes at best .
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