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Readinglevelup
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I saw a forum post on another forum and I wanted to make a discussion about it here.
Are you with or against incest? In a more 'real life vs manga' fashion. Well, one thing I have to say is that society controlled this matter by making everyone think it is wrong to do such a thing. Sure if you have a child with your sibling, you are way more likely to have a child who could get a recessive decease (like 15 times more likely for a decease such as cystic fibrosis if their dad caries it (which is a 1/16 chance)), but siblings can always adopt a child, or just not get any children (like we need more kids now, we already have too much population). Even so, if the child receives a decease, it doesn't mean it is incurable. What annoys me the most is people who say be with the one you love, but when it's something they don't like, they make it an exception and it shouldn't happen. Right now, incest is considered bad by society because it isn't 'normal', it's 'different'. From what I see, the only problem with incest is having a child. That problem can easily be fixed with a simple decision of not having a child. There is also religion that can play a part, but I'm not going to get into that BS. It's the same as gay rights. Finally, I just want to state that I am a straight male and I have no intention to have incest with anyone. That doesn't mean I can't defend people who want to. I'm saying this because I don't want anyone to label me as biased. ----- Alright, now that's over with, let's continue on the manga side of things (even if it is shorter.) When it comes to manga, I don't mind it at all; however, that doesn't mean I like every incest manga. Actually, there aren't any that I like in particular (I don't really search for 'incest manga' anyways.) I mean, stuff like Aki-Sora where the main character just goes around screwing every chick he sees is just terrible. That's my opinion, though, don't know about yours. There was a manga I didn't mind way back that I forgot the name of, but that's about it. My point is, I don't mind incest in manga even if I don't like the story for most of them who have incest. (PS: I didn't know whether I should have put this in the manga or anime section. But considering there's most likely way more incest manga, I decided to go with manga. Don't know if it goes elsewhere, though. It is a '3D vs 2D' comparison.) TL;DR: What do you think of incest in 2D compared to 3D? |
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LordRedhand
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You need help....
As it's wrong in both instances (anime kinda back this up as they are portrayed as villains or at least not very positive.) I would find what you suggest a failure of my duty to being a brother, son, and citizen all at the same time. Think of it along the line of "My Justice Shall be Swift." As there should be no place for this stuff to hide. This has nothing to do with Gay Rights either, which is more of a distributive justice problem in my mind and thus if both participants are rational agents, I'm fine. Incest doesn't fall under that category, It falls into more of a betrayal of trust to me more than anything. And that's something you can't get back once it's gone. |
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Readinglevelup
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I'm sorry, but where does it suggest that I need help in my previous post? I mean, that's just being rude. All I did was state some facts about it and expressed what I thought about it. I think you might have misunderstood what I meant about incest. If both beings prefer it that way, why is it so bad? From what incest-like mangas I have seen, both character want to have the relationship, so I don't really know where you got the idea about one being dominate over the other. If that were the case I would have said sexual abuse in 2D vs 3D. Why would it be a failure as a brother, son or citizen? Is it because in the society we live in it is considered a bad thing to be have such relations? I mean, gay people were afraid in the past to be together in the past because society couldn't accept such a thing. Does that mean they were in the wrong when society hated gays and now such a thing is ok because society doesn't mind it? The reason I use gay people as an example is because right now they are considered 'normal' (by a portion of the population), so wouldn't that mean they were always 'normal'. What is normal anyways? Something that we consider to our liking? Something that we don't detest? Anyways, back to the point, if gay people are now 'normal', why isn't it the same with incest? Will it ever be considered 'normal'? If not, why not? Why can't people live a certain way that some people consider different? Anyways, from what I can see (I might have misunderstood), you take incest as being something rather violent and without the approval of one of the two. What I was talking about was a mutual love between siblings. That's the reason why I compared gay people to it, both can have partners who love each other. Sorry if you misunderstood. |
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LordRedhand
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Intercourse when viewed through philosophy is violent, and normally very disturbing.... under normal circumstances...
http://www.humboldt.edu/~essays/soble.html I explained myself, I find I would break my duty as a son, brother, relative and destroy something which can never again be taken back. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Why stop at son/brother/relative? Why not just go and say it would offend you as a human, as the essay seems to say that sexual desire in general is negative, if not outright evil. I may be misrepresenting its intent, as I read only the first few paragraphs and skimmed the rest, but I didn't notice anything specifically about incest there, thus question its relevance to this topic.
An unhealthy sexual relationship is an unhealthy sexual relationship whether the two are blood-related or not. As for the question on incest, I can't speak much to it, as I'm not particularly familiar with many series that deal with incest much more than a shallow fetish. The one series that comes to mind that does, however, deal in depth with the issue is Koi Kaze. In that situation, it works and appeals because it is not just a quick addition to heighten the drama, but the core cause. The siblings in question did not grow up together and suddenly discover a yearning for the other, but spent their lives apart and upon being reunited discover an attraction between them that is not that of siblings. Furthermore, that they both struggle to come to terms with their feelings presents far more realism than if they had simply discarded the obstacle in favor of the true-love-conquers-all route. |
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Pinkwings
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In real life I'd rather not hear about it or see it. In manga I dont mind it as long as its handled in a serious manner and not those trashy smutty shits.
One thing I really hate are those incest lovers who pair up characters like Ed and Al from FullMetal Alchemist or Ritsuka and Seimei from Loveless. In order for either of those pairings to even work you'd have to alter the characters almost completely. Plus I hate any pairing that is supported simply for being OMG SO HOT. This is probably how Ed would react to it if he knew about that sickening elricest thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcC8ZTsqbgk |
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Wooga
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People with a sister complex have never had a sister...
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FeralKat
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Truer words have never been spoken! 
Manga-wise, I dare say I like the "forbidden" aspect of it. However, in reality, it's a tad too creepy for my tastes. As someone stated, the DNA that bothers me a bit, but it's the trust that pushes the boundary. I dunno about you, but it would totally freak me out if I knew my dad or (if I had one) brother thought I was sexually attractive. SQUICK-Y. |
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LordRedhand
Posts: 1472 Location: Middle of Nowhere, Indiana |
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Relevance in topic creator implying that nothing is "wrong" with a "normal" relationship and could thus add his definition to it. The viewpoints explained above are one lens in a debate that hasn't been answered, all from issues of "normalcy" of an act. His post implied that well normal acts weren't viewed as a problem, thus the article. And why it applies to me personally is that the philosophy I follow is pretty much the above... Act so that you always treat others as an end, and never as a means to an end only. Thus for me it's not that intercourse is out of the question it just becomes very, very complicated. Of course if you stopped reading it then I guess you didn't get to the other parts (it something that kind of builds trying to redefine it separate from the founder of the Philosophy, as it was defined as a bad start, Hint: It was marriage only) or Any of the metaphysics involved (hint is that it's metaphysically destructive, i.e. your destroying yourself.) |
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Wooga
Posts: 916 Location: Tucson |
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I've gotta say that manga incest is really far and removed from reality.
Here's an analysis from one point of view: http://www.comixology.com/articles/365/The-Other-Love-that-Dare-Not-Speak-its-Name[/url] |
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LordRedhand
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Read article, pretty good one actually and recognized a name that was mentioned, Jung. As here http://www.friesian.com/jung.htm it under the philosophies sphere. So thanks. |
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(VT-109)Lt.J.M.Penczek
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Nuthin wrong with it on paper, even on the screen as an anime, but i personally find it hard to ever think of my lil sis even remotely as a possible love interest. I hate her, she hates me, but unlike manga and hentai anime, we would never strip down and go at it.
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darkhunter
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but you thought about it....hmmm? |
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The Xenos
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Is it just me, or is it disturbing when people use the terminology of "3-d" for real life? I know it's used on the 2chan boards and other forums to separate photos from drawings, but I find it really strange to think in those terms. Just say 'real life' or 'reality', because there are other fictional 3d depictions as well.
Anyway, I dunno if it's less taboo in Japan, but incest if f-ed up, man. In fiction or reality. Of course we have stories in fiction about murder and war and such, so I'm fine with stories that deal with incest. Saying that it's 100% would be as disturbing as a story that gives murder a free pass. Still, I don't see a problem with talking about it in fiction. Taboos such as incest or even say theft or other social no-nos should be in comics because you can't have 100% moral actions in fiction, you can't white wash literature. Of course I do notice that it has a strange strong presence in Japanese culture. There's a certain xenophobia overall to the once insular culture and I think the incest theme pops up in many manga, even non-pornographic ones, as an offshoot of the xenophobic culture. I know I've seen it in some titles I like. I know Lament of the Lamb had some overtones. Hell, even Fruits Basket has some. Meanwhile, compared to (hopefully) former taboos like homosexuality or inter-racial couples, I do think that this is one that has some logic to back it up. There is scientific evidence that inbreeding is simply unhealthy. Now homosexual incest? I guess technically there's no scientific problem.. but it's still incest. I don't care how many fangirls supply that Ed / Al FMA doujin wall I saw in Japan, that's still messed up, man. Then again I also can't stand off the wall non-canon pairings like that anyway. I don't buy 'keepin it in the family'. Dear crap, there's a whole world of people out there. Never mind that it not only keeps genetic information inbred, it can also keep memetic information and free thought inbred. You become a bubble family with bubble children never spreading yourself past anyone beyond your own family. Hell, just look at those 'God Hates Fags' Westboro Church idiots. They're mostly one single family who have poisoned themselves with the same inbred thoughts for lifetimes. So.. yeah.. incest and inbreeding leads to all kinds of problems. So, kids, don't f--- your mom, sister, brother, uncle, etc. Find someone with a different bloodline, buddy. And while we're at it, don't f--- your dog either. |
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littlegreenwolf
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Eh, I'm a big fan of Kaori Yuki's Angel Sanctuary, and that's a... weird case of incest, so I guess I'm ok with it as long as it stays fictional. I don't see how the issue is any differnt from reading books about a serial killer.
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