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Errinundra
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:33 pm Reply with quote
The Australian Federal Court this morning handed down its decision in a case where copyright holders took an ISP to court to force it to stop its clients from using torrents. The Court found in favour of the ISP.

Australian Broadcasting Corporation wrote:


Film industry loses iiNet download case

Posted 50 minutes ago
Updated 27 minutes ago

The Australian film and television industry has lost a case against a major internet service provider whose customers downloaded pirated movies and television programs.

The case against iiNet was filed in the Federal Court by a number of applicants including Village Roadshow, Universal Pictures, Warner Bros, Paramount Pictures, Sony Pictures Entertainment, 20th Century Fox, Disney and the Seven Network.

The legal action followed a five-month investigation by the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft.

The companies claimed iiNet infringed copyright by failing to stop users engaging in illegal file sharing.

But today the Federal Court ruled in the internet service provider's favour.

Justice Dennis Cowdroy said it was "impossible" to find against iiNet for what its users did.

"It is impossible to conclude that iiNet has authorised copyright infringement ... (it) did not have relevant power to prevent infringements occurring," Justice Cowdroy he said.

The judge ordered the studios to pay the court costs.

Precedent?

The case could potentially set a precedent establishing to what extent Australian internet companies are responsible for illegal downloads on their systems.

The movie houses said iiNet did not do anything to stop its customers from illegally sharing movies and TV programs.

But iiNet said privacy and freedom of speech laws would have been breached if the companies' demands were met.

The court was told that the Australian Federation Against Copyright Theft sent letters and emails to iiNet every week for more than a year.

The entertainment companies compiled their evidence by hiring two investigators to subscribe to iiNet and then begin trading files using different BitTorrent networks.

They kept track of what movies and TV shows they were sharing, when they downloaded them, and the ID numbers of the computers they were sharing these files with.

Every week the entertainment companies sent that data to iiNet and asked that iiNet then disconnect the users who had been sharing the files illegally, but they said iiNet failed to act.

The companies claimed iiNet was refusing to enforce its own user agreement, in which users are asked to agree not to download files or anything illegally.

But iiNet successfully argued that the requests to disconnect users were unreasonable.

The ISP's barrister said that in one week alone iiNet received more than 3,000 pages of allegations of copyright violations by iiNet customers.

"If all the notices iiNet received from film studios over a five-month period were printed it would take 180 large folders and more than 12 trolleys to bring them into the court," Richard Cobden said.

"No-one can seriously be expected to respond to all these."
iiNet argued that there are many steps the studios could take instead of asking the ISP to work as their enforcement team.

The ISP said that if it was possible for the film companies to track iiNet users illegally sharing files, then the film companies should go after the customers directly.

Mr Cobden also suggested that the companies should ask the file-sharing program BitTorrent to do more to crack down on piracy.

He also rebutted assertions that iiNet's profits increased if customers downloaded many films and TV shows illegally.


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Much of torrent downloading / uploading infringes copyright but it seems that the copyright holders must find a new strategy to deal with the problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:17 pm Reply with quote
Don't they make enough money already? The studios, I mean. But, lol, I just wonder if the time will come, when Australia closes its borders, kill any foreign within the country, and totally ceases any sort of contact with the outside. Yes, just like in that anime... Australia in 20 years, everyone is a cyborg. Huh, if you enjoyed Time of Eve this is your chance to move before they're totally isolated.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:30 pm Reply with quote
I'm not sure if this topic belongs here, but no matter. I find it to be a very good thing for a completely ridiculous lawsuit. Trying to sue an ISP for allowing customers to illegally download things is like a bank suing an auto maker for selling a car to a person who used it to rob said bank. When I say the ISP allowed it, I mean they didn't actively prevent it, I dont really see it as allowing it like the companies suing claimed.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:43 pm Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
Don't they make enough money already? The studios, I mean. But, lol, I just wonder if the time will come, when Australia closes its borders, kill any foreign within the country, and totally ceases any sort of contact with the outside. Yes, just like in that anime... Australia in 20 years, everyone is a cyborg. Huh, if you enjoyed Time of Eve this is your chance to move before they're totally isolated.


Gee, did you notice the studios lost the case? And please don't make ridiculous comments about a country you obviously know nothing about.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:48 pm Reply with quote
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Gee, did you notice the studios lost the case?

That wouldn't stop me from mentioning their greed.
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And please don't make ridiculous comments about a country you obviously know nothing about.

I was making fun of the Australian government, not of the Australian people. If that's still offensive to you, hmm, swallow it?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:42 pm Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
If that's still offensive to you, hmm, swallow it?


Way to keep the tone civil.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:47 pm Reply with quote
I'm not civilized. Mom was a mountain monkey. Dad was a South African giraffe. Somehow I was born half human, half hyena, but my mentality is a hyena's. Besides this hyena ain't here to clear up the misunderstandings you selfishly created out of my post. But if you really want to, I could PM you by tomorrow after multiplying my post by 10, plus the explanation, resulting in a post 5 times bigger than the original, and then perhaps you'd understand that my first post was a joke, mocking the people trying to greedily create some sort of censorship within Australia.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:13 am Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
my first post was a joke, mocking the people trying to greedily create some sort of censorship within Australia.


The joke doesn't work, because plenty of people have tried suing ISPs in other countries, including the good old USA. When someone actually wins against an ISP, then you can tell your joke.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:51 am Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
my first post was a joke, mocking the people trying to greedily create some sort of censorship within Australia.


I don't agree with what the film industry was doing- like someone else said, it's the users doing the downloading who were to blame, not the ISPs. However, I think it's pretty ridiculous to characterise this as either "greedy" or "censorship". Attempting to stop people from stealing your copyrighted creative output isn't greed. And who exactly is being censored here? The ISPs? The users downloading stuff? Because neither party is being blocked from expressing themselves.

Bottom line, the motivation behind this was perfectly legitimate, they just went about it in an idiotic way.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:07 am Reply with quote
Pipe down, egoist. Either you tried to make a joke, and it fell flat (because, if it was intended as a joke, it wasn't the slightest bit funny) or you said something stupid and you're trying to brazen it out by pretending it was a joke.

Either way, continuing just makes you look worse, so put a lid on it.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:26 am Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
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Gee, did you notice the studios lost the case?

That wouldn't stop me from mentioning their greed.

This defense has always, and will always, make me facepalm at the sheer hypocrisy of the 'little man' argument.
Seriously, this is what this argument boils down to: "Hey! They make more money than me! Therefore, they should be fine with giving free handouts to me!!" Laughable at the absolute best. Those people knew what they were doing, they took the necessary steps, and they are now living their ideal life creating things for the rest of the masses who did not take up those same dreams and goals to enjoy. And yet, for some unexplained reason, they are obligated to cater to those who were too lazy to do the same? Eph-that. I would never be willing to give my money over to such cheap and ungrateful bastards! The TV networks have every right to keep their work from being accessible for free, if you have a problem with that, than create your own damn network.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 7:59 am Reply with quote
eyeresist wrote:
The joke doesn't work, because plenty of people have tried suing ISPs in other countries, including the good old USA. When someone actually wins against an ISP, then you can tell your joke.

It's not meant to work. Like I said, I was mocking someone else, and that never works as a funny thing. Not all jokes are meant to be funny, and I suppose that clears up what abunai said too.

abunai wrote:
Pipe down, egoist.

Well, abunai. Other than that time I asked him to swallow it, I haven't really said anything rude. Or are you asking me to simply let others create 10 lines of misunderstandings out of 4 words I said? If that's the case, I won't. And even more surprised this thread's still here, because I thought it'd be deleted or something, and that's why I took the liberty of answering the gentleman over there.

the Rancorous wrote:
The TV networks have every right to keep their work from being accessible for free, if you have a problem with that, than create your own damn network.

No matter how you try to mask it, greed is greed. I don't have a problem with that, so don't go around assuming things. I'm also sure that I spend more money than you do in the movie industry.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:15 am Reply with quote
I liked how the judge put it, this decision makes it clear that the studios can't just force ISPs to act as the police and cancel people's internet connections or restrict websites. That would allow studios to take the cheaper and easier way of stopping people from downloading just by getting the ISP to do something to you, instead of doing the proper and accountable thing and taking downloaders to court (not that I support that in any way).
I think for this case the studios wanted to use the courts to create a backdoor way of getting at downloaders through ISPs, good to see the courts get it right for a change.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:06 pm Reply with quote
Awesome. Now to shut up, and shut out Michael Atkinson next, and Australia will be on its way to becoming a legitimately entertained country.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:39 pm Reply with quote
egoist wrote:
the Rancorous wrote:
The TV networks have every right to keep their work from being accessible for free, if you have a problem with that, than create your own damn network.

No matter how you try to mask it, greed is greed.


The desire to stop people stealing stuff you own is not greed.
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