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SecretAgent94
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:26 pm |
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I am referring to english dubs. I love the fact that dubs are treating anime with much more respect than used to be the case.
I always felt that most Japanese males sounded the same to me and Japanese females sounded the same and that english voices are much more distinguished.
But the thing bugs the heck out of me is the familiarity of the voices I am hearing now. I am the kind of person that does not like to know anything about the actors in a movie, or any behind the scenes things. I want to be as totally into the story and characters as possible; not who voices who and whatnot.
I try not to but I just notice it when I recognize a voice from a character of a previously viewed anime. I I sometimes feel like the same 15 people are dubbing every anime I have seen so far. Will the industry hire more talent anytime soon? Or is it just me? I have been watching anime specifically for a relatively short time now and the voices are already becoming a little too familiar.
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DaMajinKingColumbus
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:56 pm |
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IMO I would like to see more fresh new voice actors, I feel like if I watch a show I know that its going to be that one same voice actor time and time again.
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Kelly
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:58 pm |
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From what little I've read, my impression is that out of the acting community, the number who actually want to focus on dubbing anime and are willing to move within commuting distance of the dubbing studios isn't that big - and as it is even the best voice actors almost always have to find other part-time work to make ends meet, and there's probably not enough work to go around to keep more actors regularly employed to the point of it being worthwhile for them to set up home near the studios. It would probably also be too expensive for the studios, who don't have Hollywood budgets, to cast a wider net for voice actors and experiment with too many newcomers. If they have a set group of actors who they know can play certain common roles - for example two actors to alternate young male leads in shonen actioners and shojo romances; the ditzy warmhearted girl; the cool, kick-butt mentor; the crazy villain; the smokey-voiced woman; male and female specialists in elderly characters, a woman who's good at playing little kids and a woman who's great at voicing boys whose voices haven't quite changed - they're going to stick with proven entities.
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ShinobiX
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2011 11:05 pm |
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um well maybe they all sound alike? Nah just kidding. Before you make accusation look at the credits and see if the people are really the same. I doubt it.
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The Abided
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:59 am |
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| ShinobiX wrote: | | um well maybe they all sound alike? Nah just kidding. Before you make accusation look at the credits and see if the people are really the same. I doubt it. |
Well actually they often are, lol, just to be honest. Each company has their little group of people they always go to for the reasons Kelly pointed out. For financial reasons they just have to.
I also wish they had more voice diversity, but can understand why not. All these American anime companies already have enough financial trouble, so i'm not going to judge them for reusing some time-proven voice talent.
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SecretAgent94
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Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:31 pm |
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| Kelly wrote: | | for example two actors to alternate young male leads in shonen actioners and shojo romances; the ditzy warmhearted girl; the cool, kick-butt mentor; the crazy villain; the smokey-voiced woman; male and female specialists in elderly characters, a woman who's good at playing little kids and a woman who's great at voicing boys whose voices haven't quite changed - they're going to stick with proven entities. |
Hmm, maybe the problem isn't just with the dubbing companies. Maybe part of the problem is that anime is running out of ideas for characters; or atleast are not being creative enough. Some of those character stereotypes you mentioned are pretty much in every popular anime. If too many anime have the same basic characters, then I guess it would make sense to use the same voices
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darklordchris
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:52 pm |
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well i am getting a little tired of hearing Steve Blum all the time. i mean he's great but at this point i can pretty much identify him every time.
I'm actually a little curious about why it is that we don't see more voice actors already involved with non amine animations voicing in dubs.
hmmmm on a side note maybe some of use really could become voice actors
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wanderlustking
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:55 pm |
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The fact of the matter is, the industry has a small number of VAs that they know will be received positively by audiences. Very few cast directors will give a character to new blood if they know an old fan favorite will do it instead.
It sucks, but the industry is very hard to break into, which means a very limited amount of new faces. I've known seasoned VAs with years of experience in western animation turned down for relatively minor roles in anime; for actors with less experience, but focused exclusively on anime. Unfair? Probably, but it makes undeniable sense from a marketing perspective. Anime is a niche media, so the concern over establishing and protecting a "bottom line" is even greater than normal.
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SecretAgent94
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:20 pm |
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Well that's a shame. The industry definitely needs to change in that regard then.
In regard to both VAs and character variety.
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wanderlustking
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Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2011 8:50 pm |
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It would be great if we could see more key roles being given to VAs who have until now been doing minor characters. Most of those VAs do dozens of roles a year, and often times spend considerably more time in a sound booth than the more recognizable names who voice main characters. There is a lot of potential talent that isn't being used, which is a bloody shame.
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Zalis116
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 3:38 pm |
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| wanderlustking wrote: | | The fact of the matter is, the industry has a small number of VAs that they know will be received positively by audiences. Very few cast directors will give a character to new blood if they know an old fan favorite will do it instead.
It sucks, but the industry is very hard to break into, which means a very limited amount of new faces. I've known seasoned VAs with years of experience in western animation turned down for relatively minor roles in anime; for actors with less experience, but focused exclusively on anime. Unfair? Probably, but it makes undeniable sense from a marketing perspective. Anime is a niche media, so the concern over establishing and protecting a "bottom line" is even greater than normal. | It's not just a marketing/fan-favorite issue. Voice acting for anime is a specialized skill set, one that on-camera actors and western animation "pre-lay" voice actors don't necessarily have. Doing all the necessary enunciating and emoting while staying in the bounds of the mouth flaps is not an easy thing to do. So the directors/producers rely on the "anime exclusive VAs" (who also do various other kinds of acting in theater, radio, and commercials) because they know they can do a reasonably good job within a reasonable amount of time, i.e. without a lot of budget-burning retakes. This has always been the case, but the industry/sales downturn has exacerbated the matter.
Along those same lines... compared to 5-7 years ago, the number of R1 anime publishers is down, the amount of anime licensed is down, the number of active dubbing studios is down, and the percentage of licensed anime that gets dubbed is down. Since Funimation dubs make up the majority of dubs these days, it stands to reason that you'll hear a lot from actors living in the Dallas/Fort Worth region. Whereas in the past, you'd hear a lot more dubs made in New York City, Los Angeles, Vancouver, and Calgary, as well as from other cities in Texas like Austin and Houston. Or even South Carolina, in the better days of AnimEigo.
| Quote: | | I always felt that most Japanese males sounded the same to me and Japanese females sounded the same and that English voices are much more distinguished. | I was going to bring up the same point about Japanese dubs -- it's not as noticeable, but if you watch a lot of anime from a given time period, you're definitely going to hear the same actors over and over again.
| Quote: | | But the thing bugs the heck out of me is the familiarity of the voices I am hearing now. I am the kind of person that does not like to know anything about the actors in a movie, or any behind the scenes things. I want to be as totally into the story and characters as possible; not who voices who and whatnot. | If you think that's bad, try traveling to various conventions and meeting VAs in person. Then two years later, you're watching a show and thinking, "Hey, I remember hanging out and drinking with that actor in Denver that one time!" But I guess that's bringing things upon myself, as far as backstage information goes.
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