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Lactobacillus yogurti



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:24 pm Reply with quote
I hope this isn't the beginning of a problem later... Let's hope it's not as insane as the NRA in the USA
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:33 pm Reply with quote
Huh... just... huh.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:48 pm Reply with quote
Lactobacillus yogurti wrote:
I hope this isn't the beginning of a problem later... Let's hope it's not as insane as the NRA in the USA


The sad thing is, the US NRA wasn't always the parody of itself it is now. Before more right-wing elements gained control of the organization in 1977, the NRA was concerned with gun safety. Various schools around the country used their guidelines to teach older kids how to properly use a firearm, and to respect its power and danger.

After 1977 the crazies took over and started using their platform to sell more guns, and use their bully pulpit to force legislators into liberalizing gun laws and regulations, a process that sadly, is even worse today now that they have a president they feel is on "their" side, and state legislators that make even more drastic cuts in gun safety programs.

The US NRA is just a flimsy shell of it's former self.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:02 pm Reply with quote
Lactobacillus yogurti wrote:
I hope this isn't the beginning of a problem later... Let's hope it's not as insane as the NRA in the USA


If by insane you mean "scapegoat for anti-gun people" then I doubt it since fire arms are limited in Japan.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:33 pm Reply with quote
El Hermano wrote:


If by insane you mean "scapegoat for anti-gun people" then I doubt it since fire arms are limited in Japan.


You know we mean fanatical proponents of the gun industry to weaken the institutions that keep them from selling guns to any beating heartbeat, consequences be damned.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:35 pm Reply with quote
Consequences be damned is exactly what it means to live free. Or would you prefer it if everyone with a tattoo was banned from public swimming pools.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:57 am Reply with quote
bennyl wrote:
Consequences be damned is exactly what it means to live free. Or would you prefer it if everyone with a tattoo was banned from public swimming pools.


Well tattoos don't kill people day after day so......
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:36 am Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:

Well tattoos don't kill people day after day so......


And forks make people fat so....


Rolling Eyes

Asterisk-CGY wrote:

You know we mean fanatical proponents of the gun industry to weaken the institutions that keep them from selling guns to any beating heartbeat, consequences be damned.


Because knowing your rights and then utilizing them makes you a fanatic?
I wasn't aware that NRA members hid their faces behind masks and attacked anyone that didn't agree with them.. like *cough* anitfa! When was the last time the NRA told its members to throw milkshakes at people? I think its pretty clear who the Fanatics are.


The NRA is the only organization in the USA that actively funds programs that educates children on the dangers of a firearm, and what to do if they find one. They were also the only organization that created a program to assist schools on how to prepare and respond to Active shooters.. both at no costs to the schools utilizing those resources.

Sure beats the alternative.. which is essentially silence.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:10 am Reply with quote
^You make it sound like firearms are some kind of natural disaster which just "happens" and the NRA selflessly help people to deal with that...Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:36 am Reply with quote
If the firearms situation in the US was the same in Japan, then we too can get cute seiyuu as PR ambassadors and there would be no controversy.

If you don't know what it's like to buy/own a gun in Japan, you can do yourself the biggest favor and read up on it.
https://www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-how-japan-has-almost-completely-eliminated-gun-deaths-2017-10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Japan
https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/japan
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Stampeed Valkyrie



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:30 am Reply with quote
Merida wrote:
^You make it sound like firearms are some kind of natural disaster which just "happens" and the NRA selflessly help people to deal with that...Rolling Eyes


No, I just posted the facts. nothing to infer beyond reality..

Guns don't kill people. People kill people. FACT. They are a tool and any tool used improperly can cause harm.

Having people understand a tool and how to use it empowers those that don't know any better. This allows for rational reactions and removes fear mongering which is ever so loved by the media.

When you go after a group of people.. like the NRA you better be prepared to have people step up and call you out.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 1:30 pm Reply with quote
BadNewsBlues wrote:
bennyl wrote:
Consequences be damned is exactly what it means to live free. Or would you prefer it if everyone with a tattoo was banned from public swimming pools.


Well tattoos don't kill people day after day so......


My guns have thus far avoided killing anyone, so.......
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:02 pm Reply with quote
No one is arguing that guns kill people of their own volition. The concern is that guns are more effective at killing (in terms of homicide, suicide, and accidents) than most tools legally available to the general public, and that certain kinds of guns are more effective at killing than others. We can and do live freely without unrestricted access to military weapons, and we can live freely without having so many mass shootings that people have become inured to it, as those in other developed countries like Japan can - while still having a lower homicide rate. I've seen the sort of things the NRA sends its members (my father is a member - and really you can see the sorts of videos they produce online), and they sure aren't "removing fear mongering". Quite the opposite much of the time. The concern isn't really with its members but the organization itself, as the organization is more extreme on a number of issues than its members. I don't know if this organization running this event is related to the NRA, but if it is, I think some are right to be concerned that the NRA may be trying to export its brand of gun advocacy to Japan, and make the gun situation there more like the US than Japan's current situation, as they are trying to do in other countries.
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You know what guns are also more effective at doing? Self defense.. preventing assaults, and leveling the playing field on aggressors. Guns are also great tools on keeping Tyrants in check. (See Dictators/Socialists and Communist countries.)

With all the hyper focus on firearms though you'd thing that guns were the leading cause of death at least in the United States. Last time I checked it wasn't in the top 10, nor the top 20 causes of death. Add to the fact that mass shootings occur in countries with strict gun laws and not just in the USA.. (France anyone?)

As for "Military Style" weapons.. whatever that means. Military weapons (Fully Automatic) are restricted as Class 3 firearms. While you can in most states legally acquire Class 3 weapons, they are extremely expensive and ALL are registered with the authorities not to mention that any you do find would have been manufactured before 1986.

I do agree with you on one point, I think the NRA has taken a softer note as of late. And I don't agree with that stance. Luckily for Americans who stand up for their rights, there are other organizations like GOA which has stepped up to pick up some of the slack where the NRA has failed or is just slow to mobilize on.

As for NRA marketing.. all one has to do is watch any mainstream news and see how Gun owners are the "great evil". Watch the debates especially during the 2020 elections, Democrats are the best form of advertising.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:06 pm Reply with quote
Stampeed Valkyrie wrote:
And forks make people fat so....


To be fair being fat while potentially dangerous to one's personal health is still far less dangerous than a gun which is dangerous to both one's personal health and that of another.

Stampeed Valkyrie wrote:
They are a tool and any tool used improperly can cause harm.


Except in many cases guns are used as they are intended to be used which is to kill. And most of the time it either isn't necessary or worse the wrong person is getting hurt or killed. That's also a fact.


Stampeed Valkyrie wrote:
When you go after a group of people.. like the NRA you better be prepared to have people step up and call you out.


Yeah just like when the NRA is getting called out for doing dumb shit like encouraging people to tackle a shooter which is something you're most certainly "NOT" supposed to do especially when said shooter has a loaded gun. Or that comment some representative of the organization made about Doctors needing to "stay in their lane" instead of speaking out on the problem of gun violence.......eventhough Doctors routinely look after gun violence victims some of whom die on the operating table.

Oh should I also point out the paradox of many of the the organization's members supporting gun control while the leadership weirdly and ironically bristles at it?


Stampeed Valkyrie wrote:
Guns are also great tools on keeping Tyrants in check. (See Dictators/Socialists and Communist countries.)


Well sure provided these "tyrants" and "dictators" don't have access to tanks, planes, boats, and heavy ordinance like bombs. Along with competent commanders who can put together coherent strategies to break or stave off most resistance. Which would apply to a number of those same countries.


Stampeed Valkyrie wrote:

I do agree with you on one point, I think the NRA has taken a softer note as of late.


I don't know how you think this as the optics (not factoring in their budget cuts) says otherwise.

Stampeed Valkyrie wrote:
As for NRA marketing.. all one has to do is watch any mainstream news and see how Gun owners are the "great evil". Watch the debates especially during the 2020 elections, Democrats are the best form of advertising.


First I've heard this especially given how every time the general election rolls around gun lovers start buying guns in large quantities because the big bad democrats are going to take their guns away (which never happens) and wouldn't be anything unusual even if it did given the Government can already seize various assets you own under specific circumstances. But apparently the idea of having your legally obtained firearms (that you'll likely use to murder someone or yourself) is much worse than having your land,money, & even your kids taken away from you for some people.


Don't get me wrong guns have their place in the world and yes gun owners and by extension law makers who support such wonderful ideas as allowing the sales of high capacity magazines or allowing guns to be carried into hospitals,bars, & restaurants. Are the ones chiefly responsible for a lot the crazy stuff that happens with them rather than the tools themselves but as it is many of these people shouldn't have these guns in the first place hell many of them don't need them. But of course there's a substantial amount of money to be made off of convincing people that they need a gun to protect themselves or their family from any and all threats real and imaginary, consequences and lies be damned.
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