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AiddonValentine
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And after the AI editing nonsense, we now have Grok being able to do CSAM, so I'll just say that being an artist still on that platform is dumb and gross.
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Arale Kurashiki
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"CSAM" refers to material produced through the abuse of a child. Calling anything else "CSAM" dilutes the meaning of the term and makes it more difficult for organizations to deal with.
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Pokenatic
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't lawmakers already been going through stuff about AI CSAM, or at least the reporting has been calling it that, so it wouldn't just be Aiddon calling it as such?
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mdo7
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After seeing the Grok creating A.I generated images of nude underage child. Yeah, I'm not surprised by this news of people stop posting images on X aka Twitter.
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Arale Kurashiki
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Many different people call many, many things CSAM. But the whole point of the distinction in the first place is to say, "these were produced by hurting children", which is why it's treated so seriously - we cannot be muddying the waters about that. If we're thinking that an AI being able to produce convincing simulacras stems from it using CSAM in its training data, there might be an argument to be made there. But, like, when it comes to fighting the exploitation of children, it's really important to understand the material harm that drives these things to exist, not how objectionable an image's content might be in a vacuum. |
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WANNFH
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Honestly, I would rather put a big question mark on that - because how exactly we could know that the reference data for the dataset not used the actual CSAM material to train the model? Because it's pretty obvious that big companies put literally whatever they could reach from the internet for a dataset without any kind of concern about the authorship rights, let alone the ethical thing - so I not pass on that possibility. |
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Sinxi and heylog
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This may be a hot take, but did anybody find the reaction wierd or very knee jerky?
It was interesting seeing 2 reactions, one being "why did they make this more visible" which is a fine reaction (let's ignore that it only deleted 1 extra step) and the other one being "wait, you can edit pictures now?" Which subconsciously said a few things if you took the situation and thought about it without being knee jerky 1. It did not affect the artist as much as they exxagerated it to be 2. Grok is not widely used at all 3. The art/animation community does not edit photos or anything like that. It was one of the weirdest reactions I have seen on twitter about a change that is not a change, and the thing about this is that its not like it deletes 9 steps to make it 1 step, it literally removes 1 extra step out of 2 or 3 steps? And you can see grok, the sign is noticeable, on the left hand side or on the top right corner of a post, its there. Once again, I do get the reaction of "why make it more noticeable" thats an ok reaction to have, but when grok has been introduced a year plus ago, and your able to see the sign anywhere, and the reaction is "wait you can edit photos now?" That shows that the artist were not affected or were barely affected
Imo, its not dumb or gross. And with the way your reacting, it does seem like you never knew grok could do that type of thing (I dont condone it btw) even though grok has existed for a year plus which subconsciously says a lot |
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Ming Yi
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How can you be so sure about how affected they were? Perhaps they are emotionally affected by how their hard work and craft can be easily taken advantage of. Also, the AI thing is affecting a lot of people who aren’t visual artists. Just yesterday, Yoichiro Tanabe, a manga artist, used Grok on one of the girls from STU48 prompting to put her in a bikini and then proceeded to draw several images based on it. |
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Sinxi and heylog
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That is why I used "exxagerated." Once again the reactions were "you can edit photos?" That does say something. Im not doubting that they were emotionally affected with AI, but im not necessarily talking about AI in this specific case, its about the reaction to grok existing. im wondering how in the world are you guys acting like this now?
Hopefully, I did not sound like im fumbling my words. |
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kgw
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No. It is their art and they should not wave away their rights over it. |
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Sinxi and heylog
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Like I've said in another comment, its the reaction to the fact that grok exist that throws me off.
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Lactobacillus yogurti
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Regardless of what they use it for (and believe me, the fact that they're using it to create material that IS CSAM, even if it's "artificial"), using AI is just plain wrong. Illegal, a waste of important resources and an excuse for companies to "save money" (fire employees to keep that money).
Makes me glad I left that cesspool ages ago; no artist should live in fear of having their art tampered with by people who think that taking a pen and drawing a stick figure is too hard and just want quick results without any hard work. |
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SinisterOracle
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They should stop using that dumpster fire altogether. It’s become a cesspool.
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Wyvern
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Hey, can I come to your work and just steal everything you're working on and alter it and then and claim credit for it? No? Wow, weird. |
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Ming Yi
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They could, but Twitter is still the biggest social media platform in Japan and none of the official social media accounts for Japanese companies (publishers, magazines, etc) have moved off the site. It’s just way too convenient for them to give up. Pretty much any other social media platform has restrictions on what art they’re allowed to post (like BlueSky, and recently Poipiku is becoming stricter on censoring artwork) or would also feed to AI (like Instagram). |
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