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ANN_Bamboo
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Controversial topic #1.
I think all of Miyazaki's film have the same theme. Discuss. |
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ANN_Bamboo
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Topic #2
Princess Nine was the stupidest anime series ever made and all the people that gave it good reviews are after it for the schoolgirls. Discuss. |
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ANN_Bamboo
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Topic #3
Cowboy Bebop blows. The only worthwhile episodes were those dealing with Julia and Vicious. Everything else was filler tripe. Discuss. |
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
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You're right. I think all of Miyazaki's film have the same theme, too.
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jmays
ANN Past Staff
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You're right. Princess Nine was the stupidest anime series ever made and all the people that gave it good reviews are after it for the schoolgirls.
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The Spatula
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I will give you a pat on the back for trying to start a provocative thread on this board about anime, however, it seems like this will degenerate into nothing more than the typical flame war. It doesn't help that you put three separate, opinionated points up for discussion further diluting the chance for intelligent arugments. A more reasonable way to begin such an undertaking would be to start with one topic of discussion and present a reasonable stance to argue from; one that contains a suitable treatment of the subject and presenting your opinion with reasons rather than a simple statement obviously meant to provoke ire in proponents of the opposite opinion. Forgive me if you already realized this and just wanted to start trouble, but I don't like to assume things of people. Despite my misgivings, I will respond to topic #2... It is hard to dispute the fact that Princess Nine has the appeal of school girls running around, but I think that it is rather simple minded to think that this is the only reason people want to watch this show. Personally, I like a lot of "sports-type" with the heavy (melo)dramatic flair, cheesy dialogue, and seemingly inhuman characters (or in as many cases, very human characters). Would one say the same thing about Prince of Tennis, Whistle, or Captain Tsubasa? These are all titles I enjoy for the same reasons that I enjoy Princess Nine - not because I like to see guys running around. I bought all of the Princess Nine DVDs because they were relatively cheap and gave me my dose of "sports-type" anime which I crave on occassion. |
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ANN_Bamboo
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Actually, yeah, I just wanted to pose as many topics as i could think of so everyone might have a chance to respond. People are pretty good at wading through errant posts to get to the ones that relate to them. While what you said is true of sports anime, would you think that there are series that don't revolve around sports that could fall into the category? I was watching Chance Pop Session over the weekend, and one of the things that popped into my head was, "wow, it's like a sports anime, except with music instead of sports." If so, what genre would these fall into? There is clearly a defined difference between these "reach for your goals" series than your average anime. However, it's my belief that all of these are exceedingly cheesy and there must be a better way of presenting these themes. |
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ookaminodensetsu
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i think ur wrong about Cowboy Bebop, the series is excellent. One of the best i have watched. I bought the series on DVD and watched it over 5 times!! i didn't watch the other anime that ur talking about, but if they suck so much then would u atleast explain y u feel that The Anime u listed sucks? And if they suck so much then what are you doing watching them?
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ANN_Bamboo
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"Touch" was pretty cool, as welll as Slam Dunk.
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SakuraAvalon
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i like cowboy bebop that is one of my favorite shows i have the dvd and watch whenever i can so i think your wrong
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Slim Shinji
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Bamboo, you should have your anime license revoked for even insinuating that Cowboy Bebop is not one of the greatest works of anime, if not animation, period! If Walt Disney himself were resurrected he'd no doubt proclaim everything he ever made to be absolute crap after viewing Cowboy Bebop, which is second in historical importance only to Neon Genesis Evangelion, which remains the absolute pinnacle of mankind's creative achievements.
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Case
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UUUUUGGGHHHH!!!! I CAN NOT BELIEVE THIS! WHAT MAKES U THINK U CAN TROW AROUND ALL OF THESE HATEFUL FLAMEBATE OPINIONS BAMBOODOMG?!!?! FIRST U GO AND BASH BIBLE BLACK WHICH IS MY FAVORITE AND TEH BEST SERIES AND TEHHHN TOKIOS TWIZETED TAILS AND NOW UR ON THE BBS TROLLING TRYING TO MAKE US ALL FIGHT WITH EACH OTHER!!!
IS THE COLLUM NOT ENUGHF??? DO YOU HAVE NO SEFL RESPECKT!? LET SOME 1 LSE TALK 4 A CHANGE! ARRRRRRGRGRGRGRGDF#@$@$TGFDGVCFV!!!1! 
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The Spatula
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So far, the responses in this topic are about what I'd expect, but since I am tired of all of the stuff I've seen before, I will put my money where my mouth is and respond in a (semi)intelligent manner and step away from the tempting use of sarcasm and lame one line responses(damn finger... stop pointing!).
Miagi noted that the concept of "reach for your goals" is already inherently "cheesy." I suppose you both mean that they are "cheesy" because it's taking such a simple concept and using melodrama to deliver. One cannot claim this to be high art, but I do find it to be entertaining every once in a while because I enjoy watching the characters struggle despite the fact I can see the ending a mile away (when things turn out differently, then that is a nice plus). A lot of the times I feel like I can identify with the characters knowing that my struggles are similar in concept. They appeal to that side of me that says "you can do it!" I will probably be flamed for that last one, but I'll just use those to cook up some pasta 
On a related note, the word "cheesy" is thrown around much more often than I would prefer. For instance, you say that Chance Pop Session was "exceedingly cheesy," but that is too simple of a treatment of the subject. What in particular is cheesy? You mentioned that it is because it is a type of "reach for your goals" anime. Does that mean that you don't like anime where the characters are trying their best to accomplish their dreams? You could say the same about something like Love Hina because Keitaro et. al are trying to fulfill their dream of getting into Todai, but others would contend that Love Hina is cheesy because it is just another harem-type anime. Rather than saying something is "cheesy," one should say what, in particular, bothers someone about an anime. |
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ANN_Bamboo
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*shrug* The point wasn't for me to say anything about the topics in question. Hell, I may or may not even buy into the statements I made. Some of you people take these things too seriously.
Chance Pop Session was perhaps not a good example of "exceedingly cheesy." The only beef I have with Chance Pop Session is that for American viewers, it's harder to buy into the technicalities of the plot. A prestigious music school that only churns out pop stars? Given the American perception of pop stars, this is obviously one of those things that can only be understood from a Japanese cultural perspective. What I meant about "exceedingly cheesy" anime was not because they were the "reach for you dreams" type anime, but the way they were done. Take P9 for example, the melodrama was stretched, with the freeze frame, flowing hair and cherry blossom shots, and the like. It's one of those series that I find unintentionally funny. Like I said above, I don't necessarily think it sucks. That's just the best way to incite comments. |
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avius viator
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Back to your 3 main topics.... I believe that there is some truth to your statement about the Miyazaki films. There several similarities that seem to follow thru his films. This includes the "finding your place in the world" or "growing up and discovering yourself" theme. Yet, somehow this doesn't lessen the films in anyway. The characters are different enough, yet remain endearing. So, though he may explore similar issues, he approaches them in different enough ways.
I too am a fan of Cowboy Bebop. The episodes with Vicious and Julia were the best, simply because they were so meaningful. However, I don't discount the other episodes. The themes that were explored in some of the side episodes were meaningful to the overall plot/theme. For example: episodes exploring Faye and Jet's pasts related to the overall idea that you can't escape your past, the Chessmaster episode concerned escaping who you were, and the devil episode with the child who'd lost innocence and found the peace he longed for in death. I think there is a lot more to the these episodes that intitially mets the eye. |
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