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Ohoni
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You are a very strange person. I have a great deal of trouble understanding what you mean.
I'm starting to think that the best solution would actually be teleconferencing instead. That way, actors could go to their own local studios, record the dialog, and an ADR director, who could be anywhere at the time, could give comments and lead them along in real time. It's not as if all the actors even record their dialog at the same time (most of the time), so it shouldn't be a problem. As you say, you'd have to ship the final cuts, but for voice tracks the shipping costs would be negligable, and as for studio fees, if the industry cooperates on this then since everyone would be doing this, it shouldn't cost any more than it does now, just instead of all "your" actors recording in your town and all "their" actors recording in their town, some of your actors record in your town for them, and some of theirs in their town for you.
I agree that it happens all the time, and I accept that of course, but I thik it happens quite a bit more often in the American industry, and it's impossible to both accept that this is true AND insist that the American dubs are as good as the Japanese dubs. |
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Starwind Amada
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Kusanagi_Kei
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See what I mean? Some people equate the sub as in Japanese only, and "dub" meaning English.
There you see again. He thinks that "sub" is the Japanese dub, and hence "sub DVD": Japanese dub DVD.
Yeah I agree with S.A. too. Not all Americans like dubs, heheh maybe more appropriately; a lot of Americans don't like dubs. 
To be honest, I think to some extent, but not entirely why people dislike English dubs, is because for those who are fluent in English don't want watch English dubbed because they already know the language well enough to see and know what expressions should be spoken and in what style, i.e. intonation etc. And they usually have a model in their heads of what that emotion should be like and should the actor not meet their expectations, they may dislike it. Plus on a little note, American people or English people may not like English dubs because it's in their own language and they'd like to watch it in Japanese, which they are not fluent in. So it's like "hey I can watch it in Japanese (with subtitles), isn't that cool?!" and they may in someway promote themselves. That's just a small concept of mine, and like I said before, it IS NOT the whole reason why people prefer subs over dubs. Then there's another reason, about that they can learn Japanese as they watch in Japanese with subtitles. True, that is effective. But you can also get a Japanese dictionary or a learning book to learn Japanese yourself. Aha! But then you would argue: "but that's not as enjoyable as watching anime and learning Japanese in a fun way". True, yes. But for me, I've only picked up on several words whilst watching subs, stuff like "gomen nasai", "daijyoubu", "oyasumi", "ohayou", etc. Those are pretty basic one to three syllable sayings, but I found that I had learned most of the Japanese from going on the internet searching the products I want to buy, and also translating CD titles from Japanese CDs, and also having a little fun with converting between romaji/katakana and English. I find that fun for myself anyway, I have my incentives. 
Sorry I think I went a little off-topic there. |
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Tetsujin
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What you said must be true for foreign movies shown at movie theaters in Japan. Is your statement true for foreign movies shown on Japanese television networks? If so, then I stand corrected. If not, then television network airing of foreign movies wasn't considered by you.
I never claimed to be a fan of the genre. I just liked watching the movies, even if the dubbing was atrocious. It's been many years since I saw 1980s-era kung fu movies. It was a way for me to pass the time when I was younger and of school age.
I saw Hero when it was released in the US as a Quentin Tarantino presentation. It was subtitled. In the US it's considered a "foreign" film, so I wasn't expecting it to be dubbed for cinematic release. Maybe the example I gave earlier was bad. Nevertheless, I wanted to raise a point about how unreasonable some people can be when it comes to the dubbing versus subbing debate.
Is your statement a general statement to be applied acros the board, or is it limited to the Japanese experience? I ask because Spanish-language networks which broadcast in the United Stated present dubbed versions of Hollywood movies. A number of Hollywood movies, including Batman (1989) and Rocky IV (1985) had high-quality Spanish dubbing. I haven't seen many Hollywood movies subtitled on these Spanish-language networks. I was impressed with the Spanish dubbing for these movies, and more often than not these networks get it right.
Know my intent before you reply. I admit I provided a bad example. If you're response is based on first-hand experience from living in Japan, that needs to be made clear since not all of us know you. I never claimed to have spent time in Japan, and the way I phrased my post-- questions, hypotheticals, probables-- showed that. Maybe I wasn't clear enough for your taste. For that I'm sorry. What mattered to me was showing how unreasonable some people can be and how bent out of shape they get when the topic is dub v. sub. Some prople prefer dubbing, soem people prefer subbing. Right or wrong doesn't apply since the issue os one of personal preference. There is no need to defend whatever preference we have. If you disagree with what I say, I will agree that we disagree. No harm was done. |
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Tetsujin
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Starwind Amada, please be sure you quote the right person. I did not post the comment you attributed to me. For that reason I have to believe your response cannot be directed at me. |
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Ohoni
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That's Spanish language programming, it doesn't have much at all to do with Japanese language programming. |
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Tetsujin
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That's correct. I realize that. I mentioned it because I wanted to be sure the earlier comment was limited to Japanese media programming and wasn't meant to be a general statement. At this point in the thread, though, it doesn't matter. Bad timing tends to have that effect, especially if one was away for a number of days. I've said this before, and I'll say it again for the hell of it: Dubs over subs if both are available; otherwise take whatever you can get. |
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Rozzer
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I still prefer and will pretty much always prefer the subbed version of anime. I've yet to find any dubbed VA's who can put as much emotion into their characters to really make you feel what is happening in the anime.
Although there are two that come to mind, one is Akira and the second would have to be Golden Boy... The guy who did Kintaro's voice REALLY put a lot of effort into making his character come alive. |
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TonytheMan
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Sub because.....
1.) The English Dub is different....arr...Most USA animation offers couple option for sub. If u compare "notes". One is DUB version subtitle, the other is orginal subtitle. The dub sounds very chessy, funny compare to the subtitle. 2.) The English sub is also in-accurate. I found out most likely on some of the jokes. Such as, a.) the joke was about Japanese history. b.) The joke was "a word/phase" that was similar to another word. c.) the joke was about a famous celebrity that only people in Asia can acknowledge. ETC ETC. ---Because of that, the dub version will usually say somthing totally different/ weird. ----U see my point, english sub is already not-so-accurate here and there. And now you are watching DUB.... 3.) In my opinion, the Japanese voice acting is done better. People differ in opinions here, but hat's ok. This leave for you to decide. For me, I just feel weird listening to English when I'm watching a Japanese Anime. ----Talk about professional...In Japan. Voice acting for anime is a HUGE business. Some of the emotional--voice acting, I doubt if the "english" can do as well... I mean the "word"/phase-- sounds different u know. Sry for my poor english/grammar. 
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Starwind Amada
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GrantM1
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I just stay out of these dub vs sub debates.
As for what I prefer, I don't care, I usally watch the english dub first on an anime DVD since english is usually the default track that is set And despite what I said about one ADV VA here a while ago, I don't care about how good or bad the are, I usually don't noticed or care about that |
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Starwind Amada
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scorpioEDC
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I prefer a dub with a sub in which the dub properly matches the nationality of the character.
As an example, it sounds awkward to me to hear an ordinary Pakistani speaking Japanese in Yugo the Negotiator or, an Italian agent speaking Japanese in Gunslinger Girl. Generally, in the case of East meets West, it sounds more realistic to me if a Japanese speaks English with accent instead of having a westerner speaking fluent Japanese - in real life, the chance of having an ordinary westerner speaking Japanese with accent is already low not to mention speaking fluently. If the story of the anime is confined to the area of Japan, it is ok to me to have ordinary characters who are not Japanese to speak Japanese with accent, or ocassionally having one or two non-Japanese characters speaking fluent Japanese. However, in Pakistan, all Pakistanis speak Japanese as if they were using their mother tongues!.........This is quite a sound effect. Anyway, a dub with a sub - just an ideal wish. |
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k0llin
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In my experiance, (admitedly not much), movies shown on Japanese TV are dubbed into Japanese. Most of the movies I saw on TV were fairly old (True Lies, Predator and Die Hard are the only ones I can remember), but there was one channel that showed a "western" movie every Monday at about 10PM-ish, and they were all dubbed. The only english-language and subtitled movie I saw whilst there was on at about 2AM or so. Of course, I only had the basic broadcast channels - there may be sattelite channels that show subtitled movies. |
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Kazuki-san
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Well.. yes. That's what I spoke or a bit earlier in this thread. Dubs and subs are both inaccurate for various reasons. Dubs most match the lip flaps within certain limits so words will be changed. In a sub, you're already going to lose something in the translation, especially since there are a multitude of words that can be interpreted any number of ways. Of course there are times when jokes, etc are changed so as not to fly over the persons head. Although what replaces it may not be accurate, or perhaps cheesy at times, at least you know there was supposed to be a joke there or something, instead of it just flying completely over your head.
And that's a perfectly good opinion to have. The one thing I would point out, is that although emotions generally come through the same, the nuiances of the two languages are not. As such, in quite a few cases, there could be cases where the seiyuu completely sucked, but we might never know. But if you just like to hear the Japanese language, more power to you.
It was actually quite good.
I'm not sure how you think something like that is plausible. (or rather, I guess you don't) Especially in a case like Gunslinger Girl. Not only are there Italian agents, but don't forget Hirscher (the German). It's not very likely or practical to get an Italian or whatever and a German to come just to dub the series, which then necessitates more subs. It's also not practical to expect that everyone from another country can communicate in English, especially with some random Japanese off the street. Furthermore, I don't think you'd particularily want to listen to Japanese trying to play those parts speaking English. Some can fair well.. but I've heard plenty of attempts in anime that hurt my eardrums. It's just a given that a story conceived in one country, even if the action takes place in another, will most likely use the language of that country. When films on Greece are made here, does everybody walk around speaking Greek? I doubt it. They speak English. In sci-fi shows, do the aliens always walk around speaking in their native tounge. Nope. It may start that way, but it soon switches to English. They are PRESUMED to be speaking their native language. |
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