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Hotaru
Posts: 481 Location: NY |
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I don't know if you all will be as bothered by this as we were, but at Otakon, we picked up the Sen to Chihiro/Spirited Away movie GN vol 5. i think we bought it. anyway, take a look at the sticker they put on there.
http://www.geocities.com/kawaiisailorsaturn/DisneyAtrocity.jpg I wasn't aware Miyazaki worked for Disney. |
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mikazuki-linlin
Posts: 20 Location: Kyoto, Japan |
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Actually, a few movies back, Disney started to give alot of money and resources to Miyazaki. The releases here, so far, have all been under Miramax, which is owned by Disney. They also bought the rights for most of his films that were made before. I couldn`t see the sticker that you were talking about because it said the page didn`t exist but, personally, I don`t see what is so wrong with Disney. Sure they fell into the rut a few years ago of being kinda formulaic but, almost all of their movies were rather enjoyable. In the past few years they have also tried branching out, even when it means failure and you can not say that their movies aren`t always extremely well animated. I don`t understand why everyone is always so down on them.
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GATSU
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First of all, never use geocities for anything. Second of all, it's old news that Miyazaki sold out to Disney a long time ago. Third, it doesn't matter how much they screw up the theatrical release of his films in the U.S., because as long as they're willing to put his stuff out on dvd in Japan for him, he'll turn a blind eye.
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Hellomojo
 Posts: 225 Location: Orlando, Fl. |
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Well if you ask me everyone seems to dog disney. I saw the sticker and started laughing. You think miyazaki gives a crap?!?!? Disney was totally wrong but it's funny that Otaku get so angry. I think it's so funny when it's that unspoken rule that all otaku hate disney. Go to japan and see how popular disney films are. I think a certain radio station has helped brainwash otaku that disney is crap but you watch finding nemo and lilo in stitch back and back and tell me that those films are bs. So what if disney is capitalistic. All of the world is capitalistic, well most, but since disney is the most successful at what it does and makes oodles more than alot of people its suddenly the bad one. tsk tsk tsk.
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RantingOtaku
Posts: 219 Location: Sudbury, Ontario, Canada |
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I grew up with disney films (who hasn't), and still own about 20 or so of them on VHS somewhere. As a kid, they where the best thing since sliced bread to a kid, but now I have refined my tastes, and just don't care for disney anymore... it's all about age I guess
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KiroLinau
 Posts: 24 Location: New York for now |
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Well, let's face it. just cause Disney comes out with one or two good movies doesn't change what they really are. They are a sugar coated money and power hungry company. so everyone wants to make money you say? but alot of people have standards. meanwhile Disney releases like 100 things a year and focuses on making one good.
finding Nemo and Lil and Stich got good reveiws, but what about Inspector Gadget 1&2, Country bears, 102 dalmations or all the honey I shrunk the kids movies? What about Poccahontus or The Hunchback of Notradame or the all the sequals to all the movies that were hits? Aladdin 2 The Lion King 2 The little Mermaid 2, the jungle book 2 etc. Not to mention the wanna be anime movie Atlantis. The Lion King was good, but it was a rip off of Kimba. What about Gigli!?.... Oh wait that was just a bad movie.. but still they should take resposability (just kidding). Anyway, there's alot more... I don't want to make a huge list. I know some of it's good, but alot of it is bad and really just to make a quick buck. I think that's how most people who dislike Disney feel. They don't make enough quality work. And they also have such ridged values that they can't release anything most adults can enjoy. it takes alot for them to even hint at death in their works. Or other serious issues of the like. That's why anime fans like anime. It deals with love, life and death, good and evil and humanity in a very real way. Disney seems to sugar coat everything and the fact is they weren't always like that. i mean, the old disney had bed knobs and broom sticks. Remember that? It had Nazi in it! Disney was alot more serious about telling quality stories. What's strange is that they spend millions making movies that either do ok, or they flop. They hire big name stars and put out very fluid animation (not a bad thing). but they have typical hollywood writers. That's why Anime like Cowboy bebop and FLCL can take on pretty much anything Disney releases. Anyway.... hopefully things will get better. |
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Legato 2057
 Posts: 437 Location: Soon to be Japan |
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You can rip on Disney for making bad movies like Lion King 2 or other sequels, but sometimes its OK to make crappy films if it gives you enough money to make excellent films like Lilo & Stich-which was better than Spirited Away IMO, the only reason Miyazaki won was that the academy thought they owed him for overlooking his other films.
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Hellomojo
Posts: 225 Location: Orlando, Fl. |
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Amen, Lagato! |
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GATSU
Posts: 16426 |
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Yeah well, when Disney puts Song of the South on dvd, then I'll change my opinion of them.
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The Ramblin' Wreck
 Posts: 924 Location: Teaching Robot Women How To Love |
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^^^
Agreeed! |
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Neo
Posts: 41 Location: New York |
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They owed Mizayaki nothing. Spirited Away won for 1 and only 1 reason. It was the best out of all the nominees. I much prefered Spirited Away to Lilo & Stich (although that was a good movie) and it seems the judges thought so too.
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KiroLinau
Posts: 24 Location: New York for now |
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 Damn straight Neo! They don't own Miyazaki anything. He has earned his rank as the greatest animator in the world. I mean, Disney employees look to his films for insperation! His other movies were looked over because this country still hadn't grown to accept Japanese animated films. Americans were pretty much forced to pay attention to them when Pokemon came out. Then Mononoke came out and wasn't given a wide enough release. Partly due to the violent content. It would have won, but it wasn't the right time I guess. But it did gain a lot of ground through word of mouth which set people up for Sen to Chihiro. I think now that people know him, his films will be more seriously advertised in the future. When that happens they will make plenty of money and he will be pratically unstopable at the Oscars. But that's just what I think.
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GATSU
Posts: 16426 |
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Just wanted to add that the category for Best Animated Film didn't exist until 3 years ago.
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Hotaru
Posts: 481 Location: NY |
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I'd just like to point out that when we were watching the oscars, that cameron diaz was prepared to say lilo and stitch. she went "l--" and then stopped, and said spirited away. hm...interesting.
lets not forget the porn in the rescuers! |
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Hellomojo
Posts: 225 Location: Orlando, Fl. |
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But spirited away is good enough for your epicurean, does that only refer to food and drink? oh well, palette? You may not want to admit it to yourself but Spirited Away is a childrens movie, it's just enjoyed by adults, my friend. And, everyone is a capitalistic money machine, just, some are bigger than others. You think all these American Anime distributor would be doing what they do if all they made was 100 dollar profit. It's easy to point to the big guy but I've seen a crapload of, well, crappy anime from small companies but we'd rather dog Disney because we're otaku. Thats not how it works, for every failure there is a success and you need to see the pretty and ugly from both sides of the picture. Does disney make crap 75% of the time, yea, but they aren't worried about going out of business. You don't like disney, alrighty, don't watch. Silly message wars start like this and I believe were going off on a tangent. Yes Disney is pretty ridiculous TRYING making spirited away their creation, but technically they own it and Miyazaki, I hoped I spelled it right!, has alot of money in his back pocket to prove it. I'm trying not to be biased, but I can't help be the devils advocate when I see countless verbal slaughterings of Disney. |
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