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Anime_Fever



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 1:10 pm Reply with quote
Hiya,

I've had Blood+ saved on my Tivo for a while now and just started to watch it. Not bad so far, I like it.

I was wondering if anyone knows the relation between Blood and Blood+. Is Blood+ a alternate retelling or something of Blood? Is Blood+ Supposed to be the prequel to Blood?

It most likely seems to be the prequel. The two main characters of Blood and Blood+ are named Saya, and plus there is the special agent in the movie and series named David. I assume the David in Blood is the same David in Blood+ but older (Or the writers just like to recycle names).

But the problem with that theory is, it has been stated that Blood+ takes place after the Vietnam War, where Blood actualy takes place during the Vietnam war. So wazzup with that?
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Iwatch2muchanime



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 2:27 pm Reply with quote
I believe it's an alternate univers seperate form the movie, like G.I.T.S. and G.I.T.S. SAC, it's stand alone.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 4:01 pm Reply with quote
Iwatch2muchanime wrote:
I believe it's an alternate univers seperate form the movie, like G.I.T.S. and G.I.T.S. SAC, it's stand alone.


Yes. It is a continuation in a way, since apparently it is set a couple of decades after the movie. Blood+ doesn't really follow the manga sequel to the film though so it's more of an alternate universe kind of thing. The already given example of GitS and GitS: SAC is a perfect one. Blood and Blood+ are exactly the same way. Characters are shared, but one doesn't necessarily need to have seen the movie before watching the series.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:28 pm Reply with quote
Iwatch2muchanime wrote:
I believe it's an alternate univers seperate form the movie, like G.I.T.S. and G.I.T.S. SAC, it's stand alone.


There not really alternate universe (as in Gundam Alternate) because (spoiler for movie and show)spoiler[they talk about Saya in Vietnam. Which is basically referring to the movie and what happened then. ] But like noted you could watch them in any order and still understand what's going on, I think that if you watch the movie you'd know more about Saya but the TV series will give ya background on just about everything else.

But technically there in the same time line Blood+ could be considered the sequel of Blood: The last Vampire.
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 9:19 pm Reply with quote
Deltakiral wrote:
because (spoiler for movie and show)spoiler[they talk about Saya in Vietnam. Which is basically referring to the movie and what happened then. ]


So unless there are different Sayas operating simutaneously under the organization (spoiler[and as I remember, they only ever employ one at a time and replace them as they keep going rogue]), then somehow Saya spoiler[woke up between Vietnam and Blood+, went on a horrifically gory rampage involving copious amounts of lesbian rape, went rogue and vanished with no more intent to help humanity,] and then somehow found her way back to the shrine to sleep some more all before George started his vigil.

Aside from vague references like Vietnam, Blood: The Last Vampire and Blood+ are unconnected takes on the same premise, with B:tLV having novels, manga, and PS2 games to tell us what happened both before and after the movie. And even if there are different Sayas operating at once, there's still the issue of David, who appears as a prominent character in both timelines, and is a good deal older in the 60s (B:tLV) than he is in the 00s (B+). In terms of the Blood: The Last Vampire continuity, in fact, he's dead of old age long before the year Blood+ takes place.

Unless they're trying to convince us that all Sayas have their own individual blonde, humorless caretakers, all named "David," which would just be lame. Razz
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Kruszer



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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2007 11:38 pm Reply with quote
I thought I remember them saying or at least implying that spoiler[the names of the Red Shield people were more like code names passed along. For instance the old guy who first discovered Saya and Diva was named Joel(?) and later on the head of Red Shield, the guy in the wheelchair, was also refered to as that as well.] Could be wrong though it's been about a year and half since I watched the series.
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Deltakiral



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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 4:07 am Reply with quote
Kruszer wrote:
Could be wrong though it's been about a year and half since I watched the series.


Like you noted spoiler[I believe there code names, but the novel I read (Night of the Beast) really makes things confusing considering how old David] is in that. Not to mention the other leaders of Red Shield, I assume it's all onetime line with lots of holes in it....
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 7:26 am Reply with quote
Deltakiral wrote:
Like you noted spoiler[I believe there code names, but the novel I read (Night of the Beast) really makes things confusing considering how old David] is in that. Not to mention the other leaders of Red Shield, I assume it's all onetime line with lots of holes in it....


The fact that the manga effectively negates the whole "thirty-year wait for Saya to wake up" deal of Blood+ still renders the two as separate timelines, to me. There would have to have been two Sayas working simultaneously in Vietnam for Blood+ and Blood: The Last Vampire to be in the same timeline, which to my knowledge didn't happen.

Not to mention the physics behind Chiropterans differs between the two. In Blood: The Last Vampire, all that's needed is a nice, lethal swipe with a fairly regular katana to do the trick, where the Chiropterans in Blood+ require that whole gimmick involving vampire's blood causing them to crystalize or whatever. If Blood+ was a part of the original Blood continuity, then its rules governing Chiropterans would not have changed from the original.
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