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domino



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:51 am Reply with quote
dormcat wrote:
domino wrote:
So they should be re-arranged after all. The proper story order is the order I listed all of the titles in in my previous post (each item on the list is a sequel of the previous item on the list).

And the only overlap/retellings among all of them is that "Angelique (OVA)" is a loose adaptation/retelling of "Angelique (manga)". Everything else is completely different.

I hope that clears things up. Razz

Afraid not. Anime smallmouth + sweatdrop

All manga and anime adaptions were based on the game. While we are certain that

Shiroi Tsubasa no Memoir (2000) Arrow Seichi Yori Ai o Komete (2001) Arrow Twin Collection (2002)

were on the same plot line, I'm not sure were to insert the 2004 OVA, which was made as a 10th anniversary for the original game released in 1994. As for two Koi suru Tenshi Angelique series: the story surrounds a new female lead named Ange; while male characters are still the same, spoiler[those two candidates to the throne in the original Angelique story are now queens of two worlds (Kandori and Seijuu).] Therefore two Koi series are considered either a spinoff or a sequel -- depends on how the new story related to the old one.


The Angelique series is complicated ^^;

Being a 10 year old series, there are lots of games in the series (7+ games with multiple versions of each), and each OVA shows hints of where it falls in this game timeline by the featured characters and the ranks they hold.

The only anime/manga based on the first ever Angelique game are the manga and 10th anniversary OVA (simply titled "Angelique OVA", the most recent OVA).

I placed Shiroi Tsubasa no Memoir next in the timeline because it's based on the RPG "Angelique: Tenkuu no Requiem", featuring (like the OVA), battles with Arios.

The next OVA, chronologically, is either Seichi Yori Ai o Komete or Twin Collection. Given that both are mostly gags/goofing off (the latter OVA is 90% music video animation that has nothing to do with the Angelique story whatsoever), though, I don't think it matters. So I'd say that "Seichi Yori Ai o Komete" should be placed before "Twin Collection".

Both of the Koisuru Tenshi Angelique series are based on the newest game, Angelique Etoile, so their position at the end of the timeline is clear. Kokoro no Mezameru Toki tells the first half of the Angelique Etoile story, while Kagayaki no Ashita looks like it will finish where its prequel left off.

Oh, and about the Queens in Koisuru Tenshi: spoiler[The two queens are not the first candidates. There are actually two sets of candidates: Angelique and Rosalia from the first game, Collet and Rachel from the second. Angelique and Collet both became queens, while Rosalia and Rachel became their respective assistants.]
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:54 am Reply with quote
Thanks for the correction. Looks like all I have to do is change the status of 2004 OVA from "sequel of Twin Collection" to "prequel of Twin Collection". Here's the proposed relationship tree:

manga
(related)
Shiroi Tsubasa no Memoir
(sequel)
Seichi Yori Ai o Komete
(sequel)
Twin Collection
(prequel)
OVA 2004
(spinoff)
Kokoro no Mezameru Toki
(sequel)
Kagayaki no Ashita

Is that correct?
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domino



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:11 pm Reply with quote
It's correct except for the placement of OVA 2004. OVA 2004 tells the very beginning of the story (as does the manga) so it should be before all of the other animations. The other OVAs take place long after the 2004 OVA.

Thanks for your efforts on sorting them. ^^; It's such an obscure series that I doubt anyone cares what order they're in, but it's good to be accurate.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:41 pm Reply with quote
domino wrote:
It's correct except for the placement of OVA 2004. OVA 2004 tells the very beginning of the story (as does the manga) so it should be before all of the other animations. The other OVAs take place long after the 2004 OVA.

That's why it's the prequel of Shiroi Tsubasa no Memoir, Seichi Yori Ai o Komete, and Twin Collection. That's what prequel means: produced later but with earlier stories. Like Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace is the prequel of Star Wars [Episode IV - A New Hope], The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. You don't put The Phantom Menace at the beginning of Star Wars saga when dealing with an article introducing the series from an objective viewpoint (NOT from Lucas' own), even though The Phantom Menace is the earliest story-wise. Right now I put it as the prequel of Shiroi Tsubasa no Memoir, for adding it as a prequel of three other OVAs are rather redundant and would clot up the relationship tree.

Anyway, thanks for your help.
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domino



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:59 pm Reply with quote
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domino wrote:
It's correct except for the placement of OVA 2004. OVA 2004 tells the very beginning of the story (as does the manga) so it should be before all of the other animations. The other OVAs take place long after the 2004 OVA.

That's why it's the prequel of Shiroi Tsubasa no Memoir, Seichi Yori Ai o Komete, and Twin Collection. That's what prequel means: produced later but with earlier stories. Like Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace is the prequel of Star Wars [Episode IV - A New Hope], The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. You don't put The Phantom Menace at the beginning of Star Wars saga when dealing with an article introducing the series from an objective viewpoint (NOT from Lucas' own), even though The Phantom Menace is the earliest story-wise. Right now I put it as the prequel of Shiroi Tsubasa no Memoir, for adding it as a prequel of three other OVAs are rather redundant and would clot up the relationship tree.

Anyway, thanks for your help.


Oh, right, I misread. ^^; Somehow read everything as "sequel".

Thanks again for organizing everything! I have a feeling that Angelique animation will continue to pile on in the future as well...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:22 pm Reply with quote
karitaru wrote:
Dan42 wrote:

- a sequel is a story that happens after the original
- a prequel is a story that happens before the original
So if a title B is a sequel of A, then A is not a prequel of B because A is the original title that led to the creation of B, not the inverse.


Oh, Thank you.
That clarifies things.
Well Ok.
The source of conflict here is City hunter.
The following is a list of sequels in chronological order:
City hunter 2.
City hunter 3.
City hunter 91.
City Hunter: .357 Magnum.
City Hunter: Bay City Wars.
City Hunter: Million Dollar Conspiracy.
City Hunter: The Secret Service.
City Hunter: Goodbye my Sweetheart.
City Hunter: Death of the Vicious Criminal Ryo Saeba.
The following is an adaptation:
City Hunter (live-action movie).


This gives you 11 titles. I don't know if you consider it enough for an omnibus.

Thank you


Add to that list the anime Angel Heart as another sequel. As pointed out by Dormcat to me recently the mangas have been linked but the Angel Heart anime page does not include any links to previous City Hunter series. There's the info anyway do with it what you will.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:43 pm Reply with quote
Kruszer wrote:
Add to that list the anime Angel Heart as another sequel. As pointed out by Dormcat to me recently the mangas have been linked but the Angel Heart anime page does not include any links to previous City Hunter series. There's the info anyway do with it what you will.

Afraid that I can't add Angel Heart anime as the sequel of City Hunter anime for three reasons:

1. Angel Heart anime was produced as an adaptation of the manga of the same title, not as a sequel of City Hunter anime.

2. Adding it would created a situation known as "duplicated relationship" (similar to two branches of a tree grafted together), a situation we try to avoid.

3. "Tsukasa Hojo has denied any possible relationship between them, claiming that all identical persons and sceneries are coincidental" -- comment of Angel Heart manga written by myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 4:58 pm Reply with quote
Well I don't really understand but whatever, you're the editor.. Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 8:39 pm Reply with quote
Kruszer wrote:
Well I don't really understand but whatever, you're the editor.. Confused

Don't say it like I'm a dictator or something. Anime smile + sweatdrop

Your opinion -- that one can see all related titles, old or new, in the same page -- was very reasonable, and I'm not saying this current relationship tree system is without defect (such as co-adaptation of manga and anime from a game or a novel; right now I can only list them as "related"), but I'm sure there are users with just the opposite opinion: they don't want to see the relationship tree cluttering half the page before they can see the plot summary. Maybe the next version of the Encyclopedia can add an option to turn it on or off.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:17 am Reply with quote
Allright that clears things up. I can see how massive something like the Dragonball or Gundam tree would be on every single related page. That would be pretty annoying to look at as well as keep track of. I don't think I'd really want the whole tree on the Angel Heart page either just maybe a link to the first City Hunter series or something to show that they're connected somehow but since by author admission they're not connected but yet use the same exact characters with the same names that act the same...well it I don't really understand why he'd deny it unless it was just him being sarcastic.

I think that if I would have known Angel Heart was further along in the timeline, I would have have tried watching the City Hunter stuff first, which is kinda what I'm trying to say. I suppose he connection here is similiar to how MS Gundam and Zeta Gundam are related in that some of the major characters are carried over but the main character is new and instead of being one story each is pretty stand alone. Smile
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 3:55 am Reply with quote
Nagagutsu Sanjyuushi (movie) (#3586) is the sequel to Nagagutsu wo Haita Neko (movie) (#3799), and is in turn succeeded by Nagagutsu wo Haita Neko 80 Nichikan Sekai Isshuu (movie) (#3614); the latter two are already linked, so Nagagutsu Sanjyuushi (#3586) just needs to be put "between" them.
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PostPosted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:10 am Reply with quote
doc-watson42 wrote:
Nagagutsu Sanjyuushi (movie) (#3586) is the sequel to Nagagutsu wo Haita Neko (movie) (#3799), and is in turn succeeded by Nagagutsu wo Haita Neko 80 Nichikan Sekai Isshuu (movie) (#3614); the latter two are already linked, so Nagagutsu Sanjyuushi (#3586) just needs to be put "between" them.

Done.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:49 pm Reply with quote
Hand Maid May (TV) (#29) needs to have episode 11 split from it, as it is actually an OAV. Proof: the CD Japan listing for DVD volume 5, the official HMMay episode guide (Excite Japan translation here), and the official site's DVD goods page. Fortunately, the credits for the entry are very detailed, and an official episode-by-episode staff list is available on pages 69–70 of Hand Maid May Project File (ISBN 4844314904). Unfortunately, I do not have access to a scanner, so I can not post it.

Note that the HMMay OAV comes before Hand Maid Mai (#1836).
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 30, 2007 10:54 pm Reply with quote
doc-watson42 wrote:
Hand Maid May (TV) (#29) needs to have episode 11 split from it, as it is actually an OAV.

Grrrr, another OVA / unaired episode dilemma. I'll see if I can hold a small conference on this issue.
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