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Forum - View topicKamichu! and Fanservice?
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darksideoftheanime
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Kamichu! is one of my favorite animes of all time and I don’t think of it as a fanservice type show. However, the people at Anime Tropes made this comment about Kamichu! under Moe Moe.
I have scene this episode and while it could be considered to be fanservice I did not see it that way. And I don’t remember seeing any gainaxing. |
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Samurai-with-glasses
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I know what Gainax is. But gainaxing? Anyway, I feel sort of similar to the person in your quotation in that the swimsuit scene almost appears out of nowhere -- but I got used to it soon enough when I realize that they did pretty intentionally draw the characters' bodies differently than the "perfect anime bodies" girls of most anime swimsuit scenes. It kind of highlights the characters as distinctly unique in relation to generic anime girl #6345 in swimsuit one would generally count as "fanservice." This, I think, might be a gentle reminder to the viewers that no, you should not, err, fap on that; they're not porn/hentai/harem stars, etc. They're just having fun, please pay no mind. 
Since Kamichu! was so well done I believe I was very forgiving of any inconsistencies like this one and make up excuses whether there's actually one or not. 
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darksideoftheanime
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Gainaxing:
It is supposed be coined after Studio Gainax because there early animes where fulled with this. I do agree that is was done differently then your normal beach episode. They’re not doing this to cater to males; they’re doing it because they want to have fun on the summer day. And I think it was setting up the events latter in the episode. |
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Tony K.
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Just an interesting note to you all. The artist who drew the Kamichu manga also draws hentai manga (the kind that often involves young girls, but not quite as young as this... I think..). He has a site with some sample artwork (not the hentai stuff, but just fan service-y drawings of the kind being mentioned here), but I don't remember his name at the moment.
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selenta
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It's Naruko Hanaharu, and yeah, considering the actual content of Kamichu! I was more than a little surprised when I went looking for some wallpapers and came across some of his other works. I don't know Tony... it's no toddlercon, but they look pretty darn young to me.
Either way, I agree with the OP and others that that episode made me do a double take at first (though much to my surprise they kept it rather clean). It didn't turn out to be a very big deal in my mind, and didn't keep me from collecting the show (not that it probably would have anyway  ). To me, things like the episode with the alien were far more distracting, as I've come to think very little about fan service, but I will never be able to overlook it when the plot heads in a direction that it really shouldn't.
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HellKorn
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I vaguely remember the beach episode, and remember finding it... oddly out of place. I suppose it very well could've been trying to appeal to the fanservice crowd, but if there was any intention it was only at the beginning of it as it could to a (nicely touching) ending to the episode.
Personally I was and still am a helluva lot more bothered by those pencil boards that came with the DVDs, considering some of those are blatant fanservice.
I think it best just to not really think about that one. Politically commentary or not, it was rather poor. Thankfully it was fairly early on, though. And off-topic: selenta, it seems that you're quite taken with Gurren Lagann, otherwise I'd doubt that you'd it in your avatar. |
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daxomni
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I watched Kamichu all the way through and I don't recall seeing any actual fanservice, at least from my point of view. It's not surprising to me that people would still raise a stink about the beach episode though. I mean, both sides of the fanservice debate seem to have blinders on. If anything it was the total lack of actual fanservice that set this show apart from most other recent titles.
I don't quite follow you? What exactly do you mean by that? |
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selenta
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I thought it was pretty obvious... but I meant that, if they had shown anything short of a horrific rape scene, I probably would be able to get over it pretty easily; but I am not so forgiving for such terribly inappropriate (plot-wise) episodes as the episode with the alien. I don't really want to get into depth on why that episode should never have even been made, as it's been a long time, but those sort of things are far and away the most important to me. So many shows suffer from this, but that doesn't mean I'm any more tolerant of it. EDIT: yes, yes I am Hellkorn. One of my top two shows for Spring, both of which I've given masterpieces as of right now. |
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daxomni
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I don't need you to go into depth, a simple explanation would be fine. |
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bonbonsrus
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When I saw the title of this thread, I was surprised...Kamichu and fanservice? Certainly not. I for one couldn't say I found fanservice in any of it, beach scene or not. I wonder a bit about those who thought of this scene as fanservice myself.
Now, I can't recall off hand as it was awhile ago about proportional changes and whatnot, however even if there was some, I still couldn't say this was a show with fanservice. The whole thought to me is bizarre. |
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darksideoftheanime
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I agree, I don’t think Kamichu! has any fanservice so that comment make me go what?
I do have to say had that same thought at first, but I don’t think of them as fanservice. However, the comment about why Mitsue Shijo was the mothery figure on the DVD extra was a bit strange.
I'm wondering why to. I didn't mind the political commentary and I even thought it was funny that spoiler[the US where seen as the bad guys.] |
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daxomni
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Yeah, the silence is deafening. Which is especially odd when we're apparently talking about something "terribly inappropriate" that "should never have been made" which "so many shows suffer from" and is "far and away the most important [aspect]". I mean, that's pretty strong language. I also didn't really understand the reference to being a "long time [ago]". I mean, Kamichu is one of the most recent shows I've watched and it's still in print. |
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darksideoftheanime
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Please selenta of even HellKorn tell us because we have no idea what you guys are talking about.
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HellKorn
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I'm afraid you're going to have a hard time convincing me that the pencil board of the three leading females in swimsuits is purely innocent. I dunno, maybe I'm just paranoid (for what it's worth, I don't really care much one way or the other about fanservice, unlike a lot of vocal folks who seem to be outraged by it or those that simply love it), but I don't see much of a reason for art work like that to be done other than to get a few fans who are into that stuff a little happy.
Hm, well, aside from your wording throwing me off, frankly I've kind of lost what the hell we're supposed to be talking with the alien, if anything at all. I can't speak for selenta, and the only comment I've really thrown at him otherwise concerned Gurren Lagann (great show, by the way). |
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vylo
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The alien episode spoiler[ was just bad. I mean yeah cheesiness abounds in this show thus far, but this was just god awful. The alien had a hairbow (no hair), that happened to block the sleeping signal from affecting a human. Even in fantasy feasibility is a nice thing to have. The political commentary made no sense. The soldiers letting them go made no sense. The prime minister manhandling the alien instead of dragging it off made no sense. The mars rover being stored on the outside of the ship in the good, and then while being able to stay within it at speed approaching light, fell out while stationary, made no sense. Humor was all but void from the episode.
This episdoe almost made me stop watching the series all together. There are of course some inconsistencies and infeasibilities in the show overall, but they aren't so rampant or hard to overlook, or at least there is comedy to distract you from them. They should fire whatever child who forgot to take their Ritalin wrote this episode.] |
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