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Forum - View topicThe Ending of Gurren Lagann (Part 2).
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{Edit: Spoiler alert! Proceed at your own risk. This posting was originally a necropost of this thread, which I have locked. That thread also contains spoilers. ~nobahn}
Sorry for the necrophilia but I finally got to finish the series after about a 6 year break. While I can see why they did what they did with the characters and why they might have done it, there are two things that bugged me. 1) Nia was born human, and thus spiral. Even if she was turned anti-spiral I feel turning hee back should have been a possibility. I feel by having her fade away, while it matches a lot of the end themes, overall it's a little off putting. Bittersweet doesn't even explain it. You get hyped for one good thing to come out and for the hero to finally get out of leadership and just live happily, and it all goes to heck. It's a bit of a slap in the face, like why bother trying? You'll end up alone anyway. (All my opinion) 2) Even with the ending, they could have made a Bittersweet ending all those waiting for romance at the end could stand behind. Still can in reality, if they have a reunion of Simon and Nia in some way, possibly after Simons death and he meets her in an afterlife in some future work, I feel like that would still be better than just giving some tease at happiness then having it ripped away. Overall, I feel the end did not fit the optimistic "We will triumph!" Mood of the anime, and gave it to dark an ending. It felt like even though you win, save everything and make it back, you won't get happiness and every reason you went forward will just disappear. To those who made the argument of it helps developed Simon and give light of him as his own person, sure. But it also gives marriage and love talked about in episode 17 a kick in the face. It's like saying that love and two people coming together as one team and "person" means nothing. Thus I did not like the ending, because it seemed to kill ideas the show itself had given, and did not fit the idea of anything possible, because if anything was possible why is it that love always gets to die?[/spoiler] |
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TarsTarkas
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The Japanese like their tragic endings.
Personally, I felt that Simon died when Nia did. After all, he left the stream of society to live as a homeless vagrant. He wasn't really living anymore, just biding his time until his physical body actually passed away. Which makes the ending of Gurren Lagann even more tragic and mournful. Which might be a take on reality. When the wars end, nobody really cares about those who fought it. They become forgotten relics of a time everyone doesn't want to remember. At least Yoko tried to have a life. |
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DuelGundam2099
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I never found that ending sad to be honest. He got what he wanted and moved on to leave a legacy. That's it.
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Night fox
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I'm guessing that this is the reason why there are official discussion threads for all series. Isn't the very title of this thread basically a spoiler of the ending of Gurren Lagann, even if it's rather non-specific?
Why not rename the thread to The ending of Gurren Lagann? Or better yet, continue the discussion in the official Gurren Lagann thread. |
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Jose Cruz
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Despite being a shounen (usually they are lighter in tone than this one) it's indeed a very sad and powerful ending. Though I wouldn't say the someone died when he becomes kind of a vagrant monk. |
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Chiibi
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I think GAINAX has something against making their fans happy.
The only series I can think of that had a PERFECTLY happy, satisfying ending is Petite Princess Yucie....and that was for young girls....so apparently they do have some standards above making little girls cry. 
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Touma
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It does seem like that at times. I have not seen much about the "GAINAX ending" recently but when I first started using anime forums, actually it was newsgroups back then, it was a big topic of conversation, and debate. Mahoromatic was my first encounter with it. There was also much attention given to the "GAINAX bounce" but that was for somewhat different reasons. 
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DuelGundam2099
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It isn't real, at best it is just a bunch of people at TVTropes putting coincidences together that have barely have anything in common. At best it can be summed up as "wow that one small moment was sad and it was in the final episode!" even though it had a good ending to it (like this series). |
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Nyron
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People really just don't "get" Gurren Lagann.
They see a show that's all yelling and explosions, and that's all they see. Even though the show yells its themes at you. The show is about moving forward. Nia's fate was a direct biproduct of Simon's endless will to move forward and go beyond the impossible, etc. It was a loaded dilemma. All his friends died so he could move forward, and so did Kamina. The Beastmen, Genome, all of them died too for the sake of progress. And then it unavoidably happened to the most important person to Simon, and that's why it was great drama. And Simon himself had gone so far that he had pretty much lost his place in the world by the end anyway. He never wanted to be a warrior, or be president of earth. He's just a digger. I really wonder what people who hate the ending wanted it to be like? Simon and Nia flying off into infinity together going HELL YEAH? |
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DuelGundam2099
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Most of them survived.
Seems just as fitting to me. |
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TarsTarkas
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He didn’t move on to leave a legacy. He already had his legacy. But the main point is that the ending is inherently sad. Just because Simon didn’t pull his hair out, curse the gods, or scream into the heavens on camera; doesn’t mean he didn’t feel that pain in private. He struggled so hard to save humanity and more importantly save Nia. He succeeded in both endeavors. But he paid a price for all that struggle and the eventual loss of Nia. He made the best of his time left with Nia, but after she had passed there was no one to share his life with him. And no one to make him feel young again. Also, just like in the end of the Lord of the Rings, Simon passed from the view of humanity. I am not saying that Simon didn’t find some happiness in the world, but he was still young when he turned homeless vagabond. I firmly believe that if he could have left the world with Nia, the same way she passed from it, he would have chosen too.
At the very least, they should have been allowed to enjoy the fruits of their labors, and grown old together. |
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Nyron
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not counting the movie-canon, all the Gurren-dan guys are dead he's not gonna hang out with rossiu and viral, and honestly he and yoko aren't very close And if that's "just as fitting", you're underselling the show. Happy, predictable "herp they all have kids and life goes on" endings are boring and lazy as hell. Gurren Lagann's ending was poignant and interesting |
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DuelGundam2099
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No it wouldn't, you just seem to hate happy endings.
Seemed pretty bland once the Anti Spirals went down. Sad =/= interesting (and this wasn't really sad)
Pretty sure people like him would be recorded in human history so that point is very redundant. |
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Nyron
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i like my shows with writing that doesn't rival preteen sonic fanfiction I think you literally didn't understand the themes of the show and just wanted it to "keep bringing the funny." That's what Naruto's for. |
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nobahn
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OK, folks, just a friendly reminder: Debating the opinions of others is one thing; letting that debate devolve into personal attacks onto one another is quite another thing. Please be polite.
Thank you. |
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