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Stark700
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Season 01: Grand Blue Dreaming (TV) Season 02: Grand Blue Dreaming (TV 2) Source: Manga (ongoing @ 24 volumes, written by Kenji Inoue, illustrated by Kimitake Yoshioka) Demographic: Seinen Animation Studio: Season 01: Zero-G Season 02: Zero-G, Liber Genres: comedy, slice of life Themes: adult cast, diving, gag humor Plot Summary: Iori Kitahara is a college student living along in a coastal city who meets scuba-diving and fun-loving upperclassmen. Air Date & Platform: Season 01: July 13, 2018 (Friday) Available on: Crunchyroll Season 02: July 07, 2025 (Monday) Available on: Crunchyroll Episode Count / Runtime: Season 01: 12 episodes Season 02: Pending Total: 12 episodes [EDIT: Fancy opener stuff added. -TK] |
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DuskyPredator
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Episode 3
I have been trying to stay positive, because it got some generally positive reviews at the start, people saying it is funny, I have continued to find it troubling, and I must bring it up now. This show is filled with excess drinking, mostly shown as destructive, which is fine, but I fear that more and more it is being made comedy for someone to being so destructive with drinking. Seniors forcing those bellow them into destructive situations, this episode had the seniors deciding for them that they would enter beauty contests, against their will, and practically used it as blackmail to try and coerce their female peer into entering one. The boys decided to try and get her drunk to get her more agreeable, and it is not given the weight that it should, just funny. The main character woke up drunk, naked and sleeping next to a woman, thinking that something happened. The way this was treated felt quite insidious, that the taking advantage of one under the influence of alcohol, of either gender, is funny, and not that getting people doing things they don't want and nudity, is really not okay behaviour. This show could pretty much be hard hitting drama from people in college doing horrible destructive things, but treats it as a comedy like it is not so serious. I probably will continue, but I am finding parts pretty uncomfortable. |
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DuskyPredator
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Episode 12 (finale)
Well this series is over, and I do think it is wroth mentioning that I have seen a number saying that this was one of the funniest shows of the season. My opinion, has not shifted much. I find a great deal of Grand Blue as not funny. The show can all it wants somewhat of an aside say that it is not encourage unhealthy drinking, but I think that has no effect at all in how it shows it in action. Maybe I should explain my own opinions on drinking. Really, I rarely ever drink, with the last year I had tried drinking a stein at last Octoberfest, bought a six pack of rum and coke cans, and did a social on my school reunion that was at a club which had some social drinking. I strongly disagree with the idea of drinking to the point you personality can change, like pretty much happens every time in the show where all the guys strip. There pretty much is no proper social drinking in this show, instead it is always to excess, that it can create jokes like stripping, and not remembering what happened previously, in actions that are no doubt impacting their studies. But it does not just end at alcohol, this alcohol leads to stripping, which in turns lead to full on sexual harassment towards women, which is never acknowledged for how awful it is. I imagine that it would be deeply troubling for some of the girls to have to be forced to see men wave their junk around, after they may have already said how it makes them feel uncomfortable. I already mentioned in my other post a case in the show where guys deliberately tried to get a woman drunk so that they could manipulate her into doing something she would not agree to otherwise. But I had not yet gotten into the case with the character that would be known as Cakey, so named after her misguidedly wearing heavy makeup when she is first introduced, where the men in the show treat her like she is a leper, like disgust is the correct response. The way they reacted to her came across as disgusting, and incredibly shallow. Especially uncomfortable was how she was used in a story where the main character coerced her into getting her friends to a mixer with a couple really lecherous guys, that simply put wanted to sleep with any girl, and believed the manipulative nature of a mixer would help. As sort of revenge, she got all her friends to wear heavy makeup, which again really should mean nothing for a guy that actually respects a women, but again treated like the plague that some of the guys feel willing to have to live with to try and seduce them, or a single target, anyway. From the point of the female characters, I think it was a nice having fun at the expense of some perverts, but I fear if it wanted us to sympathise with the awful guys in it, that maybe paint them as the victim of girls just using them. To say nothing of another segment where these guys decide to ruin the time of one of their friends relationships with a childhood friend, because they don't want him having an adult relationship, which was downright harassment. Funny finish joke where he asks his childhood friend to introduce him to other girls, because ha ha, guys rare perverts that don't care about feelings. Which I want to turn around to another problem, that it was not just a problem of male to female sexism in this show, I would say thee are problems the other way around too, where his cousin is rather unfair to him in return. Although she did often have reason. But it is totally a problem where it is a joke that the guys get no say about not drinking, even when they have firmly said they don't want to, because really it comes across that guys have to drink to keep up with the other guys, while the girls can choose not to. But that really might have been a part of an undercurrent of girls can't hold their drinks as well which makes them an exception. This last episode had one girl quickly getting drunk and I guess then committing what could practically be described as sexual assault on the male characters, as a joke. Because sexual assault against guys is apparently funny. Maybe this all could have worked out if everything in this show was pointing at what the characters was doing was wrong, and irredeemable, but it doesn't. It tries to say they are likable as they harass each other in supposedly funny ways. And tries to do a serious shot of displaying the diving activities as a beautiful experience, of the treasures of life. It makes a number of the situations totally normal and kind, that I could see people maybe equating being good friends, like physically forcing people to drink. This episode having them mixing all sorts of random drinks into one container, a lot of 90% alcohol, which I imagine should be super dangerous. Any emulation in real life, would be really irresponsible, which asks the question of why even make things like the diving as beautiful. Probably would have been a better part earlier to mention it, but there is a part where the main character needs to practice something, and does not want them making fun of him, so his idea was to pretty much poison them. There is not hint for a mentality that he should not even care what they think, just like there is no mention that he could just say no to being forced to drink. It makes the whole relationships of these characters look like something really troubling, that regardless of how he might be friendly at times to characters like Cakey, in ways that seems out of character to the others. These relationships are not healthy examples. I heard that the author. I heard that the mangaka behind this was the one for Baka to Test, which I remember liking, but has me think that the shifting the similar character interaction to older characters in a more realistic situation, totally changes it for me. I give this a rating of Not really good (4/10), that I don't think it is a total waste, it maybe coming more to personal preference, but I find a lot that I really have problems with. |
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smurky turkey
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The show is back in action with more ''diving'' and it is very much more of the same. I enjoy the utterly stupid jokes/situations that take place and it is indeed very crude and more than a little unsensitive at times (plus real hit or miss jokes wise). Some of the situations in the first season were so absurd that they had me gasping for air laughing and thus I am hoping for more of the same.
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ACｘS
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S2, 1:
*Grand Blue flashbacks* For real though, what took them so long!? It's been 7 years! I enjoyed every bit of the first season, mostly the stupid parts. Especially the stupid parts. I thought a second season was a myth! You know what, I'm just happy. We're finally back; it's just 3 months for the guys, but 7 years for us. And when I saw that disclaimer, memories came flooding back. Nothing has changed and they haven't grown up at all. Like Blink-182, but in a good way. I see that Iori's sister is the New Character. A classic trope, but still an effective one. This will be fun to watch. |
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Edjwald
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I just finished rewatching season 1 (it took awhile) because it's been so long since I watched this anime, and I feel like I can safely say that it's a total trainwreck from any kind of moral or common sense perspective, but it does have the advantage of making me laugh out loud at least 4 or 5 times every episode. Lori and Kohei would be absolute horrible friends - at best frenemies - in real life, but their dynamic is pretty hilarious from the safe distance of fiction
I think the sis is going to make a good addition. The bit where she has her brother convinced that she's a technophobe while jury rigging a nanny cam suggests that she's going to be just as over the top as all the other characters (except Chisa, I guess.) |
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Edjwald
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I thought it was pretty funny that Lori's idea of being on his best behavior resulted in him only having his pants down around his knees and keeping his underwear on.
And I liked the twist on the usual sister fixation plotline. I'll be friggin' stunned and heartbroken if I don't keep watching this one all the way to the end of the season. |
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smurky turkey
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That was indeed a refreshing take on the little sister trope. Shiori is fond of Iori in her own way but also has plenty of things to say about his behavior and she is plain brutal in her methods. It seems that neither of the children want to take over the family business, likely a good thing in the case of Iori. I liked the bit about diving feeling liberating and that especially being the case for those always acting/reacting proper.
As for Kouhei... he truly was Kouhei this week. |
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ACｘS
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No, c'mon man. This can't be the last time we see Shiori, right? I hope not, although it does look like the end for her character archetype. Baby sister with a brother complex with ulterior motives but still has a soft spot after all. Please bring her back, one way or another. It's trope but she added something to the fray. Argh. |
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smurky turkey
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Episode three was a great showcase of how most characters in the show deal with things they are uncertain about. Instead of talking it out with the person in question they go for drinking, games while drinking and using all kinds of stupid one liners that only sound good in your head. Iori trying to explain his comment to Nanaka ended in him hilariously digging the pit deeper and deeper until a third party stepped in. Aina's plan to get Iori drunk also failed but given how much of an alcoholic and trickster he is that was to be expected.
Yay for a nice glass of combustible water. |
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Edjwald
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The show seems to be leaning a little heavier into the romance aspect in its second season. Not saying the anime never focused on it season 1 - the show did so fairly regularly. Just that the focus has been more front and center for the first three episodes of S2.
BTW - It kind of says something about how special this group is that half the time Azusa winds up being the voice of reason. BTW BTW- when I heard Lori's speculation that the senior members of the club must have gone through their own awkward times and misunderstandings, I found my self wondering if it was in anticipation of a flashback episode. I could be up for that. |
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ACｘS
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What a throwback. Grand Blue is back doing what it does best: being idiots. No, I mean it in a great way. This is what I enjoyed the most about this show: people being idiots and doing idiotic things. This is one of its best episodes in a longggg time. Please keep doing this. I really need this after a long day's work. |
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smurky turkey
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I am glad that the 4th episode took place outside of the home (part of it anyway) and had the moronic classmates in it. It is always a laugh to see how they are friends but keep brutally sabotaging each other worse than any enemy ever would. The guys going to the university sounds like an absolute disaster waiting to happen. The girl's party was hilarious with Iori having the absolute worst timing.
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ACｘS
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I don't know why, but all the gags—even the stupid ones—always seem to land in this show. I've never seen an episode where the smallest bits got me good so much. Maybe it's because this show reminds me of all the goofy sh*t I was up to back in college. Or how it makes me feel young again in a way by reminding me that we were all goofy at some point in our lives. Keep doing this, please. This is probably one of the best summers in anime in a very long time imho. |
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smurky turkey
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I was expecting a lot of degeneracy at the festival and episode 5 sure delivered. Iori setting his classmates up for failure was amazing, the lengths he went to to make it as painful as possible was something else. Except that one guy though, he always seems to get ignored completely, which might be worst of all.
Also of note was the cakey overdose including Chisa and Kohei getting the chance of a lifetime. There was also the ''special'' credits with Iori showcasing the preview of the next episode and a bit more. |
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