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Forum - View topichow far in advance is a show animated from its airing time?
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rainbowcourage
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hey just a question I asked in the R2 thread and wanted a more thorough and general answer. Here's was the original question in regards to whether R2's budget is going to contract
I guess I have the wrong impression about anime tv since I assumed it worked like live-action tv where most seasons are shot in advance-- but now that I'm actually thinking about it there aren't the same inconveniences when you're drawing people as opposed to working with actual people. That said, what would be the pros of doing the production while that same season is airing, other than gaging budget? Wouldn't it be better to have glitches worked out prior to a season? |
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Animastryfe
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Many episodes are just finished before they are about to air. ( By that I mean a few days).
Anecdotal evidence from this forum, though. |
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DerekTheRed
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Actually, I don't think they shoot whole seasons in advance for scripted American TV (If that's what you're talking about) I think they are filming about 4 weeks ahead of time. I remember this because I'm a big fan of Scrubs, and the season 6 was about to start I happened to see some inverview with Zach Braff on E! or something, and he was filming the episode where he enters a triathalon, which is the 4th or 5th episode (I think). You can also think about the lag time from when the writer's strike ended to when new TV started airing. As for unscripted TV, I think you're right. IIRC they air 40 weeks of Jeopardy, at 5 shows a week, but they film the whole season in 2 blocks of 4 work weeks shooting 5 shows a day. That damn Trebek spends the other 10 months on his yacht. 
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headpower
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you do know that anime eps costs a lot of money, no production company would drop down big bills and animated a whole season before it is even aired. and i answred your question in R2 already, why are you making a reductant thread asking the same question again?. Even big shows like Stand alone complex that was aired 2 eps a month, they make eps as the show is aired across japan. making live tv series is another differnet story, actors have many schedules, and then you have to book places for filming, that;s why a whole season is made before it is air to save time and money. Anime you can pull out anytime as soon as you find out the rating is low. As for code geass R2 running out of production money, I dont think it will happened despite its low rating, the dvd sales they got from season 1 already generated enough money for season 2.
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Randall Miyashiro
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I'm not sure about in this digital age, but anime back in the day often had the voice actors performing to unfinished animation not long before the episodes broadcast. Many series like Layzner, Southern Cross and Gundam were canceled early and often entire plots and mecha never make it to the series.
This is indeed different from shows made in the States where it is common to shoot 6-13 episodes of a series before it is even aired. This is why there is often the "unaired" episodes found on DVD collections for series that get axed before all the finished episodes can even be aired. It would seem that in Japan the axe falls with only a couple of episodes in the cue since the episodes are not animated very far in advance. I believe this is why some series like Layzner have a nice pace until the last episode which abruptly ends. I think this is also why there are not a bunch of unaired episodes after the series is canceled for anime unlike in US shows where production is often done far in advance to airing. |
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marie-antoinette
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That sounds about right. After all, just look at the writer's strike. Most shows were able to last only a few months after it started, and that was with new episodes not coming out regularly. I know I asked this before in a discussion about Wolf's Rain, because it was rumored the the SARS outbreak was responsible for that series having 4 recap episodes in a row, because the animators couldn't come to work. And there too, the answer was that usually they are only a few weeks ahead of what is being aired on television. In fact, IIRC, sometimes the episodes aren't even completely finished by the time they air, so they are touched up before being released on DVD (which is something that slows down when they can be sent to the North American license holders...I believe I heard this at a convention panel with one of ADVs co-founders). |
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Randall Miyashiro
Posts: 2451 Location: A block away from Golden Gate Park |
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This is especially true with manga. I use to actually compare the weekly/monthly issues side by side with the tankoubon editions. Sometimes they are just touched up for streamlining purposes, but also there seems to be times when entire panels are redrawn. As for Hollywood, most series are initially pitched with 13 episodes, although there are some which have shorter (6 or so) initial episodes ordered which I believe used to be more common back in the Police Squad era. This does not mean that all 13 will make it to television for example I don't believe all 13 episodes of Action were initially aired (much like the axed Knidred), but they are all included on the DVD. The writers strike of 2007 occurred after the initial batch of episodes were ordered and written for the season hence why most series had 13 episode runs. Series like Chuck and Journeyman (which flanked Heroes on Monday nights) had mid-season semi endings in case they were not renewed. In Chuck's case the series was renewed, but it was too late for the second half of the season since the strike lasted so long but there will probably be 13 episodes produced for the Fall season for NBC. As for Heroes I heard they shot it with two possible season two endings for the mid season finale episode since there was an early warning of a strike. This is the reason why there are so many series that last 13 episodes long (I believe Firefly was 13 + pilot) since this is a very common number of episodes (half season) ordered at a time for one hour series and usually the first 13 episodes will be completed even if the show is canceled soon after it's pilot broadcast. I first heard of the writers strike back in September, so it is not unlikely that production of the 13th episode of Heroes, and most of the other shows could have been wrapping by that time. I believe those 13 episodes were finished soon after since they seem to be done by the time G4 started their "Post Show" a month later. |
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marie-antoinette
Posts: 4136 Location: Ottawa, Canada |
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Yeah, they seem to do things 13 episodes or so at a time and that is all that is ordered for new shows at the beginning of the season, to see if they'll work or not (I remember shows getting ordered for the rest of the season, though obviously with the strike that didn't happen).
And even the returning shows only had time after the summer break to film about the same number of episodes, so it definitely seems like they work in two halves (to go along with the two sweeps periods) and they were only able to get through one half before they ran out of written scripts. |
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Top Gun
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I've seen screencaps of the broadcast version of the final episode of Eureka seveN that featured such oddities as background art that wasn't fully painted and placeholder digital effects, so it does seem to be something that happens at least once in a while. The same series' third opening was similarly in a crude, unfinished state for the TV broadcast and was polished up for the DVD release. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Episodes 13 of Moon Phase was so bad you couldn't tell what was going on due to lack of completed animation, and episode 25 wasn't too pretty either. Both were fixed for DVD release. |
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rainbowcourage
Posts: 1216 Location: what is commonly known as "hell week" |
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I already explained that I wanted a more detailed answer from people who know what they are talking about i.e. not you. No need to be rude. And I think you meant "redundant." I am really surprised that they even air episodes unfinished and retouch them later. I didn't know the industry was so flexible like that-- it's risky and I know that if I was directing I'd be pretty anxious about on-going animation during the season. |
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Randall Miyashiro
Posts: 2451 Location: A block away from Golden Gate Park |
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I'm not too surprised at this practice considering how many of these series get strange after midnight airing times and the very large percentage of anime at amazon.co.jp top 100 DVD sales. It feels as if many of these series are made primarily for the DVD market in Japan.
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Sam-I-Am
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On the Death Note volume two extras, the series director mentions that he was hired six months before the first episode was scheduled to air, and that his first task was to break the manga into episode-sized chunks. This might give you some idea of how short a schedule they keep. Voice actors seem to typically record to key frame animation, not finished artwork, so that the sound can be mixed while the artwork is finished (if you've seen the 'animatics' extras in the Evangelion Platinum edition, that's what they're working from).
There's been commentary in some other threads about anime producers having to pay to air the show, not earning revenue from the network or advertisers like the US business model, so the DVD market and merchandise tie-ins is where they earn their profit, if that is indeed the case. Rewatched the 13 episodes of Genshiken recently, and there was discussion during a 'next episode' segment about shows being cancelled spoiler[about the fourth episode from the end - some of the chatter revolved around plots being speeded up, and lo and behold, the next few episodes seemed rushed - and then it was the end of the series, yet the manga went on.] |
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Shiroi Hane
Encyclopedia Editor
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It would slow down the Japanese release but once the DVDs are out in Japan there need be no further delay before work can start on the US DVDs.
I remember one Negima page where there was some argument over the Del Rey translation when compared to some old fan translation. The latter was made using the weeklies so I assume there was a re-write for the manga but couldn't locate an unedited copy to confirm. |
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marie-antoinette
Posts: 4136 Location: Ottawa, Canada |
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I am pretty sure that part of the discussion was concerning difficulties of simultaneous releases, because the license holders often can't get the final episodes sent to them until after the episode originally airs in Japan and is then touched-up. |
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