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JETBLACK87



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:24 pm Reply with quote
Emerje wrote:
Beast Wars II: Transformers (1998): A Japanese only sequal to Beast Wars that was made partially from repainted versions of Beast Wars toys not used on the original TV series.

Beast Wars Neo: Transformers (1999): A semi-sequal to Beast Wars II only shown in Japan. Made up of new characters and not shown in the US.


where these CGI or Cel Animation?
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Lexx



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2004 11:41 pm Reply with quote
Can you post how those Beast Wars sequels were connected or continued the story?

Also does anyone like Transformers Armada or Energon? I liked Beast Wars but didn't like Beast Machines. Megatron was a wuss, he didn't even bother to go lead his men into battle anymore, just sent the drones after them.
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Emerje



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 5:27 am Reply with quote
tetsusaiga-kyo wrote:
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Transformers: Beast Machines (1999): The sequal to Beast Wars, it's slated for a showing in Japan in late 2004.

Did this one take place on Cybertron? If so, I think it might have aired on Fox Kids a couple years ago.


Yes, that was in 1999 back when Saban had control of Fox Kids. Saban got the rights to broadcast Beast Wars (which was running syndicated long before), Beast Machines (which was original to Fox Kids in the US), and Robots in Disguise (imported and also original to Fox Kids).

JETBLACK87 wrote:
Emerje wrote:
Beast Wars II: Transformers (1998): A Japanese only sequal to Beast Wars that was made partially from repainted versions of Beast Wars toys not used on the original TV series.

Beast Wars Neo: Transformers (1999): A semi-sequal to Beast Wars II only shown in Japan. Made up of new characters and not shown in the US.


where these CGI or Cel Animation?


Both used traditional cell animation. That reminds me, there was special also made called Beast Wars II: The Movie in 1998 that featured Convoy (Beast Wars Optimus Primal, but in an cell animated form) and LioConvoy (the leader in Beast Wars II) taking on an alien invasion. I'll have to go back and add that in.

Lexx wrote:
Can you post how those Beast Wars sequels were connected or continued the story?


To be honest I haven't had a chance to watch them yet, but here is how I understand it (and If I'm wrong then anyone can feel free to correct me). Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo both take place on what should have been the Beast Wars characters orginal time before being sucked into the prehistoric Earth time. (before I go any further, keep in mind that Autobots/Maximals are called "Cybertrons" in Japanese and Decepticons/Predacons are called Destrons, and their home planet is called Seibertron, not Cybertron) Beast Wars II takes place during a war on planet called Gaea where the forces of Cybertron leader LeoConvoy (a white lion) are taking on the vehicle army of Destron leader Galvatron (a purple dragon/drill tank) and his younger brother Megastorm (based on, but not the same character as, G2 Megatron). Beast Wars Neo begins with a Cybertron training mission attack, lead by BigConvoy (a Mammoth), on a Destron fortress run by Magmatron (who could split into 3 different dinosaur forms) in an unknown part of the universe. Interestingly, Hasbro did incorporate Magmatron into the Beast Machines story, sorta. Hasbro released Magmatron as a Target exclusive in the US with a bio card that said something along the lines of that on returning to Cybertron he was horrified by the state it was in under the rule of Megatron. Grudgingly he decides that it would be better to help the Maximals overthrow Megatron's Vehicon forces rather than be hunted down as a techorganic.

I hope that helps.

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the_soultaker



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:20 am Reply with quote
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actually the transformers (and even g.i.joe) was more of anime than the other american cartoons of that era; he man,thundercats etc. not because the animation was done in japan, but because of better storytelling and pathos that didn't always have to cater to the intended young audience.


Which doesn't make it anime. It must be created in Japan by Japanese to be anime. Thundercats, GI JOe and Transformers were all written and storyboarded here in the US, making them simply work-for-hire jobs for Toei


i seem to be misquoted. i know that gijoe and transformers are not anime, but in comparison to the other american animated series at that time, it was more on a level with anime than the other american cartoons back in the day. take the justice league series for example. the storylines have matured a great deal when compared to the cartoons back then.

IMHO i think that the writers for the aforementioned series, took a few examples from anime, thus implementing certain ideas for their own epidsodes. it's all about comparisons my friend. Cool
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the_soultaker



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:26 am Reply with quote
[quote="Emerje"]That's all right, I thought we were talking about TF as a whole. Oh well, I'll just post this anyway for future reference.

Transformers (1984): The original. This one is American, but based on a line of various Japanese toy lines (Microman, Diaclone, Macross, and several others) with the character designs heavily influenced by them. Arived in Japan in 1985.

great history timeline. i'm curious to checkout the aforementioned japanese exclusive epidsodes/ova of the transformers. and i certainly acknowledge the toy giant TAKARA
who was responsible for the micromen (MICRONAUTS in the us)
however i did not know that macross (robotech) was actually based on a toyline.

now i know.."and knowing's half the battle". Wink
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Emerje



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:07 pm Reply with quote
the_soultaker wrote:
however i did not know that macross (robotech) was actually based on a toyline.


I'm not so sure that is was, what I'm saying is that the original G1 toy line had a Macross toy used in it, Jetfire.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:14 pm Reply with quote
Well, if they get Zemeckis to direct, then I hope we get some really cool actors and actresses for the different parts.

Eric Idle has to reprise his role as the leader of the Junkicons.

"Destroy Unicron! Kill the Grand Poobah! Eliminate even the toughest stains!"

And you know what else would be cool? Will Smith as Jazz. C'mon. Of all the Autobots you know Jazz is the brother. Wink
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rage-demon



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:46 pm Reply with quote
Craeyst Raygal wrote:
Eric Idle has to reprise his role as the leader of the Junkicons.

"Destroy Unicron! Kill the Grand Poobah! Eliminate even the toughest stains!"


Ah yes, Wreck-Gar. That would be perfect if they could get Eric Idle for that role again. After all, even Dreamwave's new Generation 1 comic makes a nice reference by having Wreck-Gar quoting the "bring out your dead" scene. Anime smile
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mahoro



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 3:48 pm Reply with quote
TF has a huge following in JP! Have you seen how many adult collectors there are in addition to the children for the toys? 20 years and still going strong! Especially with the new Energon series and the release of the Takara Masterpiece Convoy aka Hasbro 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime.

http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act170/

http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act172/

http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act179

Enjoy!
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rage-demon



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 4:10 pm Reply with quote
Gah! I still can't belive what they did to the US version of Masterpiece Prime. They put burned "battle damage" marks all over him and they cut his smoke stacks short. --_--

Glad i grabbed the import Wink
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Emerje



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 03, 2004 11:35 pm Reply with quote
Meh, the Hasbro version is just fine if you don't compare it to the Japanese version. The the "battle damage" isn't nearly as bad on the final product, and the short stacks look OK, especially since they don't actually do anything. Plus it's nearly $30 cheaper ($64 at Walmart) so you get what you paid for.

Wish they'd hurry up and release the new Alternators Hound though...

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actually the transformers (and even g.i.joe) was more of anime than the other american cartoons of that era; he man,thundercats etc. not because the animation was done in japan, but because of better storytelling and pathos that didn't always have to cater to the intended young audience. i mean who could forget the "death of optimus prime" or when spkie muttered the s-word, when being sucked in by unicron? or how about when gi joe's duke got stabbed in the chest w/blood spewing? those are the things that make aforementioned series standout above the rest of their ilk.

Well, I can understand how you could come to this conclusion by only watching Transformers: The Movie, which was indeed very ballsy and inovative. However, the rest of the tv series was definantly low-brow, kiddy fare standard of the rest of the brainless kid's shows. There was definantly times when it wasn't, such as when they visited an Autobot and Decepticon mausaleums and certain characters rose from the dead. But you have to also remember the inumerous goofy episodes such as when Optimus's body parts are scattered all across New York City, attached to sky scrapers, in the sewer, and crap. There really wasn't any real story arcs either. I still love the mythos though.
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There were several other toy lines that were never animated (G2,


Transformers Generation 2 was just the original series with horrible "cosmic cube" transitions added

Macross was not based on a toy series, and yes Jetfire was just a Valkyrie. Shoji Kawamori DID design all of the Macross mecha to be able to become great toys, because he was sick and tired of toys that didn't work like they did on the show.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 4:01 am Reply with quote
Sword of Whedon wrote:
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There were several other toy lines that were never animated (G2,


Transformers Generation 2 was just the original series with horrible "cosmic cube" transitions added


Yeah I know, that's why I said it was never animated. They actually could have done something interesting with it if they were to make a new series with Laser Optimus Prime vs. tank Megatron or something. Oh well, I still enjoy the G2 comics.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 7:48 am Reply with quote
Macross was not based on a toy series, and yes Jetfire was just a Valkyrie. Shoji Kawamori DID design all of the Macross mecha to be able to become great toys, because he was sick and tired of toys that didn't work like they did on the show.[/quote]

The last i have heard of Kawamori, was that he was responsible for the designs of the Armored core videogame series. very cool Mechas.
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