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animaster
Posts: 3 Location: Hawaii |
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i finaly got my hands on vol 9 and was wondering when number 10 is coming out. dose any one know
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Pepperidge
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Only one chapter of it has even been printed in Japan so far. Assuming that Sadamoto has the Japanese volume ready by the end of the year, I would expect volume 10 to be out in English early 2006.
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radicaledward
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Does anyone know which ending the manga series will be using?
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alice20th
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If it comes out at the end of 2005, you won't see the English version until the middle or late 2006. It usually takes six to eight months to go through all the processes from licensing the volume to final distribution -- that is if there are no hitches in the negotiations. |
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Patachu
Past ANN Contributor
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I'm gonna take a crazy guess and say none of them. Sadamoto has already tweaked the plot enough that I suspect he's trying to come up with his own solution to the series, as an alternative to Anno's flawed attempts at an ending. |
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kamiboy
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I sure hope so. By the way, I haven't even seen issue 9 anywhere for sale yet. It isn't out in America yet, is it? I assume you are talking about the Japanese volume 9 and 10 here or am I mistaken? By the way again, does anybody know what the second item shown on this page is? As far as my broken Japanese tells me the title reads Neon Genesis Evangelion: Eva & Eva2 Anthology and it looks pretty cool. At first I thought it was the Japanese cover for the 10th volume but I doubt it is. |
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animaster
Posts: 3 Location: Hawaii |
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it took me a long time to find the english vol. 9. but i finaly got it from the barns and nobel online store
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dangeo
Posts: 10 Location: Virginia |
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[quote="Patachu"]
I'm not trying to start a flame war, I just have to respectfully disagree with your characterization that Anno's ending is "flawed."  Anno pushed the genre and the medium of animation beyond the envelope of the day. He put a clever new spin on the "giant mecha" convention. His animation was innovative including the use of mixed media, symbolism, flashing text and even swirling and painting patterns and images directly onto film. He explored deeper themes of spirituality, psychology, humanity and personal relationships. The series and the last two episodes were his creation as he intended it to be seen. His response to irrate viewers was basically "if you don't get it, too bad"
He only made the movies under extreme pressure by his employers. Its obvious he doesn't want to change it much. In the last movie he is destroying everything so he can move on. It parallels Shinji's vision of the kid in the sand box who made something that gets destroyed. I actually wish I had not seen these movies because the do not add anything of value to the original creation. I liked the ending of the TV series because it made me think. He did not just churn out entertainment but was trying to elevate the art with his creativity. The series ended as he intended and it is open to the viewer to take something from it for themselves. Evangelion is a great work in my opinion and few have reached this level of artistry. 
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Aaron White
Old Regular
Posts: 1365 Location: Birmingham, Alabama |
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I'm absolutely certain I read an interview with Sadamoto in which he said he plans to create a new ending for the manga. I can't remember my source, though.
Anyway, I've also read that originally episode 25 of the series was going to be more like Rebirth, but they didn't have the capital to do it that way, so they made it an extention of the final episode. I think if they had done 25 according to the original plan most of the frustration over the series end would have been avoided. The 25th ep could have provided the narrative closure people expected, with ep 26 as a surprising coda. I really don't think the New Wave stylings of the final episodes were what bothered people, but the abandonment of what Warren Ellis called the "external" narrative. Anyway, I think ep 25 is the weaker of the two final episodes. |
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dangeo
Posts: 10 Location: Virginia |
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Well, okay. I don't know it all. I'd heard a lot about the controversy before I actually saw it, and then when I did I thought it was good, but I like stuff like Kubrick's 2001:A Space Odyssey. A friend pointed out that I actually saw the "Directors Cut" of the final two episodes, which would make more sense. I was an art student and I always hated it if someone tried to change my work, so I sympathized with what I had read and heard about Annos and EVA. And it is only my opinion that the movies didn't add anything. I am planning to start collecting/reading the EVA manga soon though...
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Aaron White
Old Regular
Posts: 1365 Location: Birmingham, Alabama |
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Dangeo, I wasn't trying to get on your case and I'm sorry if that's the way my post came across; I was just passing along my dim recollection of stuff I've read. It's been a long time since my gung-ho Eva researching days, though, so I can't remember which of my sources said what.
Anyhow, I don't believe the common story that Anno just did the movie to stick it to the fans; there's too much evident labor and dealing-with-issues in it for such a glib explaination. If anything the film overreaches through sheer ambition; the final 15 minutes has such rich, imaginative visual storytelling, but gilds the lily with unnecessary narration. It's top-heavy with issues, trying to address everything they could think of in one go. Still, on the whole I think it did a good job of blending the exterior and interior narratives, as opposed to the TV version which just abandoned one narrative strand. My other problem with the TV ending is that it tries to artificially induce an epiphany; it seems like the work of someone who's found a provisional answer to his problems, and is now trying to inflate it into a sort of cure-all for life's problems. It becomes Last Erhard Training Seminar at Marienbad. Fortunately the film takes a more complex look at things, even if it does drag the Kabbalah in. (Anytime a non-jewish person starts talking about the Kabbalah, you know it's BS ahoy!) Eva's shortcomings are minor compared to its successes, though. It remains a touchstone for introducing the innovations of the New Wave filmmakers into popular anime. It's better to try too much and succeed often that it is to try too little and succeed at that. Better Eva than, say, Love Hina. Back to the Manga: my big problem with it is that Sadamoto is too conventional a storyteller for something like Eva. To do justice to the series the manga should be as surprising and risky as the show. |
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dangeo
Posts: 10 Location: Virginia |
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Don't worry A. White, I'm pretty thick skinned.
 I got on my high horse and later I looked at it and realized I don't know enough about it. I agree whole heartedly that THE END OF EVANGELION is amazing work, I don't disagree. Perhaps some of the most amazing visuals of any anime, so I have to remember that. I'm just odd in that part of me wishes I had not seen it because I liked the series narrative and feel in and of itself spoiler[And it was just so wrong to blow Misato in half like that!]
I don't want to even get started on the Kabalah thing, I don't know anything about it so I asked my brother, a professor of Religion who specializes in historical Judeism, Christianity and Islam. He was intriqued and watched it. He picked up a lot of symbolism I did not, but he agrees he basically borrowed it for the obscure apocalyptic symbolism to set the tone. Ah, but this is the manga forum...(you know its good if people just can't stop talking about it) So are you saying the manga disappoints? I wonder how Weta is doing on that live action movie... |
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Aaron White
Old Regular
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I'm underwhelmed by the manga; it's very pretty, but it's just too conventional. It is to the Eva series what Strangers in Paradise is to Love and Rockets-a pretty but insipid knockoff.
Expect the live-action Eva film to arrive about as soon as the Eva Roller Coaster. |
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Kagemusha
 Posts: 2783 Location: Boston |
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Have you ever made a post here that didn't campion Love and Rockets?  (not that I don't love it, but most people here have no idea what your talking about). And yea, SiP isn't as good as most people said it was.
I've been borrowing the Eva manga off a friend, and it's pretty good; alot better than I expected. Not as good as the anime of course, but the author has the talent to make me interested in a story that I've already seen a couple of times, so that says something about it. |
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kamiboy
Posts: 570 Location: CA |
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One man's paradise is another man's hell. Personally I couldn't be happier with the way Sadamoto has handled the manga and the direction he is taking it in. But then again I seem to belong to the minority that didn't like the direction Anno took the show in, in its second half. All that artsy stuff is good and fine, if you are into that stuff, which I am not. The manga is Sadamoto's interpretation of Evangelion and, unlike Anno, he doesn’t need to use it to spearhead his crusade of getting a important (to him) message trough, like Anno did. It is obvious that Anno had a message he wanted to get trough with the anime and when people didn’t care or didn’t get it, he got royally pissed, and depressed. The lack of interest in the external narrative, as you so lovingly call it, is something that Sadamoto, so far at least, is remedying in this manga. To me at least, the story in the manga is leaps and bounds better than it was in the anime. The characters are a lot more believable and we are spared a lot of the melodrama, which Anno seemed to love so much. Shinji isn’t a total wuss, Asuka isn’t a total b*tch and Ayanami is no longer a emotional automaton. Kaji and Gendo and their motivations are much better fleshed out, and a personal favourite which I hope won’t change, spoiler[Ayanami hasn’t been killed off yet (thank you gods!). I sure don’t hope that Sadamoto is going to kill her off, as I so hated that episode in the anime where it happens. I don’t care how “necessary” it was; I just can’t stand to see bad things happen to her. In case it does happen, please don’t write it here as I don’t want to know until I read it myself.] In short, I loved the anime for the top-notch animation and great style of the first half and love the manga for the consistent and much better fleshed out story. |
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