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sean
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:34 am |
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So I am studying for my final in History of East Asia, and I learned of a group called "Kodoha" or "Imperial way faction" that existed in the mid 30's in Japan and was the main military group until the Toseiha took over. The Kodoha group is usually given great respect due the coup of 1936. Does anyone know if the word "Konoha" means something in Japanese or if it does have a relation to Kodoha? I dont think this really fits under any other topic as the other ones about naruto are usually senseless, but if it does, feel free to lock this one up after answered.
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shirokiryuu
Joined: 11 May 2005
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Location: Northern California (SF Bay Area)
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:24 am |
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the official translation is "village hidden in the leaves" i believe
i don't know about the Kodoha
but with my lack of knowledge i think "hokage" ninjas are real...
that is only an assumption because the same word was used in Flame of Recca,
argh. i need to do research..
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Fui
Joined: 12 Dec 2005
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:39 am |
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If memory serves me correctly, I think I asked my parents what konoha means and I think it was just a type of leaf (the type of leaf you see representing the village).
-ha is 'leaf" like "happa" (which means leaf). I highly doubt kodoha has any relevance to Naruto, just my guess.
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Ohoni
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:01 am |
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The "Ha" in Konoha does refer to leaves, I'm not sure about the "Kono" part.
"Hokage" might be a "real" work, but not necessarilly. The literal translation is "Flame Shadow", or "Shadow of the Flame". It's the way of saying that Konoha's leader is the top "shadow" of Fire Country. There are of course othr "kages", such as the Kazekage (wind), Mizukage (water), etc.
Flame of Recca's Hokage ninja are lead by ninjas who can control fire, basically "hokages" in thier own right. It's a case of two situations having the same name, but I'm not sure whether there is any historical "hokage" anything.
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Fui
Joined: 12 Dec 2005
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 6:18 pm |
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I misread the previous post so I made an edit. Anyway I got the full explanation.
"Ko" is actually written "Ki" which means tree but when written out it's pronounced "Konoha" instead of "Kinoha."
the "no" part just means "of."
The "ha" part at the end means "leaf." Therefore, "Konoha" means "Leaf of Tree."
As for "Hokage" the -kage part means shadow (At first she said "do you mean Tokage?" which means lizard >.>) but she said she'd have to see the kanji for it because otherwise it wouldn't ring a bell to normal people.
If you want more explanations lemme know =P
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Ohoni
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:24 am |
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Yeah, and just to clarify, the "Ho" in Hokage is writen with the kanji "Hi", which means "fire". That's one tricky thing about Japanese, when you smack a bunch of sylables together that each mean something, the letters sometimes change around. For example, Hoshi means Star, but when used in a combined word, it tends to change to "Boshi", such as Moroboshi, or Usop's various "boshi" attacks.
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