Forum - View topicNew Zoids series to be a Sequal to Zero.
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Emerje
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Man, I was really hoping for a spinoff of Chaotic Century/Guardian Force, but according to Toonami Infolink it'll be a sequal to New Century Zero, also known as "That crappy tourniment Zoids" (did I say that outloud?).
( http://www.toonamiinfolink.com/ ) Some new info was found out about the new Zoids series coming to Cartoon Network this fall. Bad news for those of you who hate New Century Zero, because the new series will be a sequel to that storyline. Oh, and the series is currently called Zoids: Fuzor. Heh, with a title like that it's probably safe to say Hasbro is just trying to keep the trademark on the word Fuzor (originally used in Transformers Beast Wars). This kinda leans towards what I was saying before about the next series likely being based off of the new Zoids Z-Builders block figures, Fuzor implies joining pieces together. Hopefully this changes, I was kinda kidding before about Zero being crap, but I do think it's largely inferior to the Chaotic Century Gundamesque story line. Emerje |
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sean
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you cant really compare the two since zoids: chaotic century had so many more episodes and chance for plot development. After fuzor comes out, then i think you could compare the two, but not until then.
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Emerje
Posts: 7550 Location: Maine |
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I disagree, Zoids Zero was 26 episodes long, if they couldn't develop a plot in that amount of time then there's no reason to believe they'll establish one with a sequal. An anime should easily be able to establish some sort of plot in atleast the first 3 episodes I would hope.
The basics of Zoids Zero was no different than your run of the mill monster trainer show like Pokemon. It was just Day to day tourniments, upgrades, and the more than ocasional run in with a crooked team that needed to have their butts kicked. Basicly a toy commercial, something more useful for marketing than for turely entertaining. It's no wonder Hasbro would choose to continue ZZ than Zoids CC/GF. This is why we have umpteen Liger Zero repaints and remolds and not a single decent Sheild Liger or Blade Liger from Hasbro. Zoids CC/GF was more like a sprawling epic you would find in a video game RPG. Characters grew up, developed, had multi dimensions to them, even their zoids had history and rich backgrounds. There were subcultures, sub plots, and subspecies. The History was well developed with stories of past wars and past civilizations. No sugarcoating, people were hurt, people died, good guys lost, bad guys won and vice versa. With it's complex story writing kids could be easily lost and lose interest, and that doesn't sell toys. Thankfully Cartoon Network is smarter than that and nows what the older fans really wanted. Zoids Zero had none of this, but could have. ZZ ended with Episode 26, It's Hasbro that wanted to do a sequal, the creators of ZZ had no intentions of going beyond this. I say it's very comparable. Emerje |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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I hate to say it, but regardless of the plotline for Zoids: Chaotic Century, it's still a toy commercial. Zoids is a commercial, no matter what form it takes.
-Zac |
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Emerje
Posts: 7550 Location: Maine |
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True enough, just like anything that has a massive toy line running along side of it. However some things do a better job of it than others. Zoids Zero is very in-your-face about advertising, every episode they push a newe model, a new upgrade, a new component, just something new each and every time. Zoids CC has it's stock of Zoids and basicly runs with them until they no longer become useful to show, not to the market. They often go several episode without introducing anything new. I'm possitive Hasbro chose Zero because it's format allows them to do something new every day advertisment wise, not because it was the better series. Emerje |
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Android21
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CC is nothing like a toy commercial, I can understand why you might say that, but the plot is amazing, and like Emerje said, they don't introduce a new zoid every episode. In fact, there are only like 20 different zoids, which isn't a great amount considering there's 67 episodes, plus they are all varied in the way they are used. I mean it would be a bit boring if there were only 2 different zoids. You could say any mecha anime was a toy commercial, like say Mobile Suit Gundam is one, cos that has gundam, Gun cannon, Gun Tank, and all those enemy mechs etc.
I don't think anyone could argue a case for Zoids Zero hehe 
I kind of like the idea of a sequel to Zoids Zero, I mean CC had such a good finish, it might be best to leave it that way. It couldn't really be a different timeline because the past had already been explained, and the future was Zoids Zero anyways I think. |
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Coral Skipper
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As much of a die hard Gundam fan I am, it is essentially a long toy commericial with an excellent plot and cool characters. I think almost all mecha anime is like that, not that I'm complaining because I love the products that they put out. Personally I'm not sure I want a sequal to any Zoids series. CC should have an OVA prolouge, but thats about it. Zoids Zero is just Pokemon with mecha and money being central. |
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Emerje
Posts: 7550 Location: Maine |
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I disagree. Gundam is one of those few anime that has toy potential, but when originally released had nothing. There are a bazillion model kits out there, no question about it, but models have always been somewhere on the boarder of the toy relm, more of a hobby item than a play thing. Not until recently have we really been seeing lines of action figures for gundam. Way back there was MSiP (Mobile Suits in Pocket) which were basicly small, not so well sculpted action figures with minimal articulation. Very few characters were made for that line. Later came MSiA (Mobile Suit in Action) which were highly detailed, highly articulated figures, but these came out in the late 90's, 20 years after MS Gundam and several years after the later series. MSiAs were later brought over here int he US (in 2001 I think) in the form of Gundam Wing action figures. However, only Wing Gundam was from japan, all of the other figures from that series were made by Bandai of America (BOA) for the US market and then later Japan. Later lines of action figures, like those for MS Gundam used what was originally released in japan and suplemented them with several new figures orginal to the US, in some cases entire lines are made by BOA (such as G Gundam and Char's Counter Attack). Then later the new line of figures were made for the Japanese market which we call FIX figures, very high end action figures usally running $50 on average, deffinatly not kid friendly pricing. The point I'm making is that Gundam, while it may look kid friendly and like it would have tons of toy potential really didn't have anything dedicated until the 90's outside of model kits which were scooped up by hobbiests more so than kids. Japanese market is a lot different from ours, not everything that shows up on TV is destined to have a toy line made for it. Also don't forget that the original MS Gundam was a failure in japan and didn't become popular until it started showing in reruns, it was seen as having no toy potential and only managed a few model kits and a couple of diecast figures, that was a bout it. Emerje |
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Case
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Just a thought:
The EVAs are very toyetic also, and there certainly seems to be almost as much Evangelion junk out there as Gundam and/or Zoids junk. (Allowing Gundam leeway for the fact that there have been many multiple incarnations over the past thirty years.) Does that mean Neon Genesis Evangelion, considered by many to be one of the highest of anime's high points, is an overblown toy commercial also? Most of the Gundam series, Zoids CC, and Evangelion all have intricate storylines. In my mind, that disqualifies all three of them from deserving the label "toy commercial" - whether or not they are toyetic or heavily marketted. Someone went to the lengths to develop a story, something that isn't directly involved in or necessary to sell merchandise, and I think we should respect that whether or not we enjoy that story ourselves. There will always be someone out there who does. (For the record, the jury [mine, anyway] is still deliberating on whether or not Zoids Zero deserves to be called an extended toy commercial. There seems to be a whole lot of ogling shots and not very much suspense or character development... it almost seems to me more like one of those performance car shows than an action cartoon at times. But if someone has a good arguement in its favor, I might be inclined to change my mind.) |
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drakh
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I don't think Zero made any attempt at hiding it's commercial nature... I mean, several times people would switch control of their Zoids over to voice activated mode, seemingly just so the audience would be able to hear the names of all the cool addons they could buy. It's main remedying features would be the music by Kou Otani (Gundam Wing, Outlaw Star), and that it was pretty funny at times. |
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Emerje
Posts: 7550 Location: Maine |
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Being "toyetic" and being a long toy commercial are two different things. There's very little out there that doesn't have some sort of toy release be it a single series of gashapon or a wave after wave of action figures. There's a ton of Love Hina action figures, dolls, statues, gashapons, keychains and so on, does that make Love hina just one long toy commercial? Heck no, it's just got a certain appeal (or toyetic) about it that people want to see the characters immortalized in plastic. However a series like Transformers, Machine Robo, or Digimon is certainly ment to sell, sell, sell. Not that there's anything wrong with those series, they just have a ulterior motive of sorts.
Emerje |
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Judau
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Lets see, after reading this thread, I have to agree with most of what was said. Zoids Zero is indeed pushing the kits more than anything, and not to mention the Tomy kits are relatively easy (and they move and what not), compared to some Gundam kits. This is an easy target for kids, more so than the Gundam kits anyway. I am a huge Gundam fan, and I do have to say, the last few Gundam series (minus Turn A, thanks to Tomino) have been a little more... toy friendly and less lot based than the older series. That is not a bad thing however, I still personally like the designs and don't mind spending money on them.
As for the new Zoids series, I do have to say I wish it was for the CC/GF stroy line, the characters and plot were far better than Zero, but I think Zero was more popular to an extent, at least here, with the kids... as the target audience was slightly lower than CC/GF. And who knows, perhaps this new series will help Zero get out of the gutter, as long is it is not just more of the same boring plot... 
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sean
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Although I defended Zoids: Zero earlier, I think the new one will be along the same line as the original. Limited plot development, addition of random characters seen only in 1 episode, and a large variety of zoid transformations. I think it will be the same except there will be a new evil organization and the fights might be a little faster paced since they will be S class.
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rurounijason1878
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i think zoids is a good anime i like the fact that there always changing but liger zero stays the same with the three transformations i guess i might be biest though cause i only say zoids zero first. i am looking forword to the new zoids series
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