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dan9999
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:38 am
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Hell YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS
Prelude to remaking the second tv series perhaps...lets have all three tv series remade shall we !
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Cam0
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:05 am
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I don't understand. Why do they make these movies if they are just compilations of a few episodes. Maybe 2 or 3 movies would make sense, but so many seems like overkill to me.
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dan9999
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:10 am
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Cam0 wrote: | I don't understand. Why do they make these movies if they are just compilations of a few episodes. Maybe 2 or 3 movies would make sense, but so many seems like overkill to me. |
2 or 3 moves dont do justice to a masterpiece like yamato, you want the story to be condensed and mutilated? Now that would not make sense, suck and be totally pointless.
Take them as an advance screening of the tv series. It worked quite well mind you, thus new movie green lit.
How you stopped to think why its wrong to have different options for different audiences? Yamato tv broadcasting is more fit to younger generation, while movies probably is a good option to older fans or persons that have no time to watch an episode per week at an specific time, those that cannot wait, and well, it its n option that appeals probably for different reasons, the movies being complete probably is doing wonders because it would be pointless to pay to watch a mutilated and condensed story.
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GhostShell
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:22 am
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Good news, indeed! The more the better.
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Cam0
Joined: 13 Dec 2009
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:58 am
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dan9999 wrote: | 2 or 3 moves don't do justice to a masterpiece like yamato, you want the story to be condensed and mutilated? Now that would not make sense, suck and be totally pointless.
Take them as an advance screening of the tv series. It worked quite well mind you, thus new movie green lit.
How you stopped to think why its wrong to have different options for different audiences? Yamato tv broadcasting is more fit to younger generation, while movies probably is a good option to older fans or persons that have no time to watch an episode per week at an specific time, those that cannot wait, and well, it its n option that appeals probably for different reasons, the movies being complete probably is doing wonders because it would be pointless to pay to watch a mutilated and condensed story. |
Do these movies have different content compared to the TV series? Usually these compilation movies offer a chance to rewatch a series without having to rewatch the series and maybe offer come extra content. It just feels a bit expensive to do it like this.
Like what is the motive behind doing this? Are there so many fans that can't watch the series because the episodes air at an inconvenient time? I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I just don't understand the logic behind it. No, actually this creates a small dilemma: Which one should I watch then? The movies or the TV series?
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ValkyrieZeroZeroOne
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:02 am
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dan9999 wrote: |
Cam0 wrote: | I don't understand. Why do they make these movies if they are just compilations of a few episodes. Maybe 2 or 3 movies would make sense, but so many seems like overkill to me. |
2 or 3 moves don't do justice to a masterpiece like yamato, you want the story to be condensed and mutilated? Now that would not make sense, suck and be totally pointless.
Take them as an advance screening of the tv series. It worked quite well mind you, thus new movie green lit.
How you stopped to think why its wrong to have different options for different audiences? Yamato tv broadcasting is more fit to younger generation, while movies probably is a good option to older fans or persons that have no time to watch an episode per week at an specific time, those that cannot wait, and well, it its n option that appeals probably for different reasons, the movies being complete probably is doing wonders because it would be pointless to pay to watch a mutilated and condensed story. |
Add to that the fact that it was always intended to be a remake of the original TV series, and as such would be 26 episodes long. The earlier movies generate an initial income stream, along with merchandise (much of which was cinema-exclusive - you should have seen what I brought home from Japan last month having seen the last movie in Tokyo), leading into the DVD/Blu-Ray release within 2 months of the cinema releases (the Blu-Rays are English-subtitled and region-free as well, so those of us Star Blazers fans also made our financial contribution to the series - a handful of us going the extra yard and flying to Japan last month to be there on the opening day of the last movie). The additional time they had over week-to-week just-in-time production allowed them to keep a high standard of quality throughout the series (although the hurried up schedule to finish the series in cinemas before the TV broadcast caught up resulted in a few minor production errors that you don't notice because you're just blown away by everything else in it).
Keep in mind that Yamato in Japan is as big as Star Trek is in America - and its fans would be even more critical than that franchise's fanbase with any new production. They had to get it right, and this model gave them the best chance of success in doing that. And any Yamato fan who has seen it will tell you that it took a classic and made it better.
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Panon
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:09 am
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Cam0 wrote: | Like what is the motive behind doing this? |
You quoted him telling you the motive - they are essentially advanced screenings that began well in advance of the show airing on television. They got to make money on the screenings, plus merchandise they sold at those screenings.
Quote: | No, actually this creates a small dilemma: Which one should I watch then? The movies or the TV series? |
There's no choice to make. The 'movies' aren't compilation style movies of the kind that compress a series into a shorter runtime while adding token new content, they are four episodes played back to back with the opening/ending credits and next episode previews omitted. They do not exist as any kind of separate release, the content is identical.
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ValkyrieZeroZeroOne
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:23 am
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Cam0 wrote: |
dan9999 wrote: | 2 or 3 moves don't do justice to a masterpiece like yamato, you want the story to be condensed and mutilated? Now that would not make sense, suck and be totally pointless.
Take them as an advance screening of the tv series. It worked quite well mind you, thus new movie green lit.
How you stopped to think why its wrong to have different options for different audiences? Yamato tv broadcasting is more fit to younger generation, while movies probably is a good option to older fans or persons that have no time to watch an episode per week at an specific time, those that cannot wait, and well, it its n option that appeals probably for different reasons, the movies being complete probably is doing wonders because it would be pointless to pay to watch a mutilated and condensed story. |
Like what is the motive behind doing this? Are there so many fans that can't watch the series because the episodes air at an inconvenient time? I'm not saying this is a bad thing, I just don't understand the logic behind it. |
Two main reasons:
(1) How anime is financed for TV broadcast in Japan. A company approaches a TV network with their treatment. TV network approves project, then company assembles production committee to bankroll and produce the show.
(2) Their target audience. In this case, it's broken up into two distinct groups: the 40-50yo demographic who grew up watching the original series in Japan and forms the majority of the fan base of Yamato. Get these people in first, they're the ones with disposable income. Get the fist two episodes out as a movie, add merchandise. Fathers take their kids to see movie. Merchandise sales abound (including limited edition stuff). Release on home video to generate extra revenue. Fund next four episodes, prepare more merchandise. Start releasing model kits, CD soundtracks, manga, and so forth. Rinse and repeat, keeping enough time to get the job done right. Midway through series, secure prime-time anime timeslot on TBS/MBS to broadcast new series, and expose new generation to the Yamato franchise, as well as getting more of the original fans who didn't make it to the cinemas or didn't buy the DVD/Blu-Ray up to this point into it.
Cam0 wrote: | Do these movies have different content compared to the TV series? Usually these compilation movies offer a chance to rewatch a series without having to rewatch the series and maybe offer come extra content. It just feels a bit expensive to do it like this.
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No, actually this creates a small dilemma: Which one should I watch then? The movies or the TV series? |
Keep in mind that they aren't actually movies; they're the full episodes (except Episode 25 which had significant time cut from the cinematic release due to time constraints) with the credits removed, and only having a single Opening credit at the start and film-style credits at the end. As such, the "movies" aren't available legally. The Blu-Ray releases already out contain the original episodes released as intended.
The TV broadcast differs in the Opening and ending songs and credits (for the first time in the history of the franchise, a different song (and different accompanying OP animation) to the original was used for the second half of the series. Not all the episodes on Blu-Ray run the same length; Episode 20 especially has four extra minutes and reports are that the credits and closing song ran over the climactic final scene in the TV broadcast (Episode 20 is the climax of one of the most iconic battles of the series). Other than that, they are identical, save for the TV broadcast of the last two episodes also having additional scenes that weren't completed in time for the August release of the 7th Chapter (the last four episodes).
My advice: If you can afford it, buy the Blu-Rays from Japan. Trust me, you'll forget the cost by the time you get through the series. I certainly did.
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Zhou-BR
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:28 am
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Comet Empire, here we go!
Sure, we still don't know what the new movie will be about, but I'm hoping for a less boring version of "Farewell, Yamato" with a more upbeat ending.
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yamiangie
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:48 am
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We don't know if this is going to be the comet empire. Buzz is that the director wants to do a prequel.
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Majin Tenshi
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:08 pm
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I am glad that more of Yamato is on the way, i surly wouldn't mind more seasons to be made. I hope that the movie's BD release in Japan will also contain English sub. This way i can just import it like i did with the TV series.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 1:17 pm
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Can we expect to see Theresa, the Andromeda, and Hero's Hill in this new movie? And a bitchin' organ piece?
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ValkyrieZeroZeroOne
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 2:49 pm
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penguintruth wrote: | Can we expect to see Theresa, the Andromeda, and Hero's Hill in this new movie? And a bitchin' organ piece? |
There was nothing but a splash screen that said "all new material". There's nothing to suggest what story they're going to tell. Taking "all new" to its most literal suggezts this will be something not done before. Either the prequel story Izubuchi has alluded to wanting to make (more likely) or a movie to transition into a Yamato 2/Comet Empire remake are my educated guesses. In any case this is all complete speculation until more details are releasd by Voyager Entertainment and/or Production I.G.
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DangerMouse
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:33 pm
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Excellent, looking forward to more.
Panon wrote: |
Quote: | No, actually this creates a small dilemma: Which one should I watch then? The movies or the TV series? |
There's no choice to make. The 'movies' aren't compilation style movies of the kind that compress a series into a shorter runtime while adding token new content, they are four episodes played back to back with the opening/ending credits and next episode previews omitted. They do not exist as any kind of separate release, the content is identical. |
This. They were never really movies and were not the usual type of crappy compilation movies, they were just the episodes, and there's no dilemma since the final and fully completed split episodes version is the only one actually available to see/buy.
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ValkyrieZeroZeroOne
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Posted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:47 pm
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DangerMouse wrote: | Excellent, looking forward to more.
Panon wrote: |
Quote: | No, actually this creates a small dilemma: Which one should I watch then? The movies or the TV series? |
There's no choice to make. The 'movies' aren't compilation style movies of the kind that compress a series into a shorter runtime while adding token new content, they are four episodes played back to back with the opening/ending credits and next episode previews omitted. They do not exist as any kind of separate release, the content is identical. |
This. They were never really movies and were not the usual type of crappy compilation movies, they were just the episodes, and there's no dilemma since the final and fully completed split episodes version is the only one actually available to see/buy. |
For now. We don't know what version of the episodes will be made available for international licensees. I'm hoping it won't be the TV broadcast. The OP for the second half was unnecessary and awful both in terms of song and vision. First time ever that the original theme was not the OP song (including the Project Yamato 2199 version used for the first half of the TV broadcast).
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