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Reddread2



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Nick isn’t kidding about 100 Girlfriends, go out of your way to read it. It’s a delight.

Currently at 23 girlfriends so it os the legitimate intention to get to 100.
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Hell, its budget is probably one of the biggest reasons Demon Slayer stands out as much


You would think the "Internet's most trusted anime news source" would not be a part of the "budget" talk and be aware that Ufotable's quality comes from the strong in-house staff, proper management and communication from each department to one another, and not taking too many series at once, and not because of money.

Also, Chainsaw Man doesn't take 40 chapters to "get good" - it's good from chapter 1, it's just that from spoiler[Reze's arc] onward is where it steps into fantasic territory.
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Budget/production are used interchangeable, but also nebulous from the audience point of view, were never really told what they are and production committee have every reason not to reveal those numbers, saying "everything gets about the same budget" is as trustworthy as your boss telling you every employee is paid the same. We don't really know how much money every production does actually get and there's a ton of other factor. I imagine that two production with the same actual budget but very different timeline (ie make this in 3 months or in 1 year) will results in vastly different end quality. But I think the point still stand, demon slayer is extremely average as far as story/writing/premise/concept and only stand out because it looks very good, say its production value (ie condition, staffs and such) were switched around with something like EX-arms and you'd probably have the opposite results in popularity.

Anyway been out of the manga sphere for so long that I don't have any idea what's popular anymore, the only two things I would have liked to be adapted would have been Teppu and knight run and the boat as sailed long ago on those (how did all those terrible webtoon manhwa get picked up a few season ago but not knight run?!). So every new adaptation is like an original IP for me. It does results in weird case where I really don't get the where the hypes come from even after watching. Like chainsaw man was so average/generic that I wasn't sure if the adaption or source material was to blame.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:54 am Reply with quote
That should be obvious.. My 100 Girlfriends, lol
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I have waited for a Pluto adaptation for over a decade.
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meiam wrote:
Budget/production are used interchangeable, but also nebulous from the audience point of view, were never really told what they are and production committee have every reason not to reveal those numbers, saying "everything gets about the same budget" is as trustworthy as your boss telling you every employee is paid the same. We don't really know how much money every production does actually get and there's a ton of other factor. I imagine that two production with the same actual budget but very different timeline (ie make this in 3 months or in 1 year) will results in vastly different end quality. But I think the point still stand, demon slayer is extremely average as far as story/writing/premise/concept and only stand out because it looks very good, say its production value (ie condition, staffs and such) were switched around with something like EX-arms and you'd probably have the opposite results in popularity.

Anyway been out of the manga sphere for so long that I don't have any idea what's popular anymore, the only two things I would have liked to be adapted would have been Teppu and knight run and the boat as sailed long ago on those (how did all those terrible webtoon manhwa get picked up a few season ago but not knight run?!). So every new adaptation is like an original IP for me. It does results in weird case where I really don't get the where the hypes come from even after watching. Like chainsaw man was so average/generic that I wasn't sure if the adaption or source material was to blame.


Generic is the last word I would ever use to describe Chainsaw Man. At best you can just find some common shonen tropes in the main trio, but "average" it sure as hell isn't.
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TheSleepyMonkey wrote:
meiam wrote:
Budget/production are used interchangeable, but also nebulous from the audience point of view, were never really told what they are and production committee have every reason not to reveal those numbers, saying "everything gets about the same budget" is as trustworthy as your boss telling you every employee is paid the same. We don't really know how much money every production does actually get and there's a ton of other factor. I imagine that two production with the same actual budget but very different timeline (ie make this in 3 months or in 1 year) will results in vastly different end quality. But I think the point still stand, demon slayer is extremely average as far as story/writing/premise/concept and only stand out because it looks very good, say its production value (ie condition, staffs and such) were switched around with something like EX-arms and you'd probably have the opposite results in popularity.

Anyway been out of the manga sphere for so long that I don't have any idea what's popular anymore, the only two things I would have liked to be adapted would have been Teppu and knight run and the boat as sailed long ago on those (how did all those terrible webtoon manhwa get picked up a few season ago but not knight run?!). So every new adaptation is like an original IP for me. It does results in weird case where I really don't get the where the hypes come from even after watching. Like chainsaw man was so average/generic that I wasn't sure if the adaption or source material was to blame.


Generic is the last word I would ever use to describe Chainsaw Man. At best you can just find some common shonen tropes in the main trio, but "average" it sure as hell isn't.


It is pretty average... it's just not an average manga/anime. It's an average Western Anti-hero comic.
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Between 100 Girlfriends and The Apothecary Diaries, I can’t believe I’m looking forward this much to TWO harem anime this year.
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meiam wrote:
Budget/production are used interchangeable, but also nebulous from the audience point of view, were never really told what they are and production committee have every reason not to reveal those numbers, saying "everything gets about the same budget" is as trustworthy as your boss telling you every employee is paid the same. We don't really know how much money every production does actually get and there's a ton of other factor. I imagine that two production with the same actual budget but very different timeline (ie make this in 3 months or in 1 year) will results in vastly different end quality. But I think the point still stand, demon slayer is extremely average as far as story/writing/premise/concept and only stand out because it looks very good, say its production value (ie condition, staffs and such) were switched around with something like EX-arms and you'd probably have the opposite results in popularity.

Anyway been out of the manga sphere for so long that I don't have any idea what's popular anymore, the only two things I would have liked to be adapted would have been Teppu and knight run and the boat as sailed long ago on those (how did all those terrible webtoon manhwa get picked up a few season ago but not knight run?!). So every new adaptation is like an original IP for me. It does results in weird case where I really don't get the where the hypes come from even after watching. Like chainsaw man was so average/generic that I wasn't sure if the adaption or source material was to blame.


I haven't seen Demon Slayer myself yet but two things I note about the "Demon Slayer only succeeded because of the great animation" types.

First, they tend to be in the "we need more yuri and other female driven shows!" camp. Meaning that they bash pretty much every popular show aimed at male demos regardless of their areas of merit.

Second, they ignore that the manga was a record-setting smash. DS volume 23 outsold Jujutsu Kaisen 14 and 15 combined. It sold 150 million volumes overall, good for #9 all time. The best part? DS is a relatively short runner with only 23 volumes over 4 years! ALL of the 8 ahead of it - as well as everything behind it but Attack on Titan, Astro Boy and Fist of the North Star - has at least double the volumes. Even the ones who had a similar # of volumes were serialized way longer. The only ones with a similar number of volumes and serialization length that had 100 million sales were Slam Dunk and North Star. And none of those had anywhere near DS' over 6.5 million average sales per volume, which is by far a record for long runners! Dragon Ball is #2 at under 6.2 million. Slam Dunk is #3 at under 5.5 million! When confronted with the absolutely historic DS manga sales the response: DS was at best a minor hit until the anime, meaning that the "great visuals" were responsible for not only the historic ratings but also the historic manga sales! Except that this isn't true either, and if it had been, it would have been unprecedented for both the anime and manga industry.

Again, I will likely never watch Demon Slayer because ultraviolent horror is not my thing. Plus from what I know of the main trio (Tanjiro, Zenitsu, Inosuke) I would find their personalities irritating. I can take one of the main party (i.e. Sakura in Naruto, Asta in Black Clover, Natsu in Fairy Tail, Bakugo in MHA) being grating but 2 is pushing it and all 3? Forget it. But that's just my personal likes and dislikes. Even if I were in the "we need more yuri and josei" camp, I wouldn't claim that a work sold 6.5 million copies per volume because its animated adaptation - which didn't air until the manga run was nearly over - was done by Ufotable instead of the High Guardian Spice people. (And funny that Ufotable's involvement didn't do squat for Touken Ranbu, God Eater, the Tales series or even their Type Moon stuff. Nope, Ufotable chose DS and DS alone to turn into a historic, industry changing phenomenon despite Type Moon representing lower risk and way more earning potential.) Then again a lot of the DS bashers liked and defended High Guardian Spice so who knows.
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Solo Leveling being announced the same day as this article feels kind of unfair.
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mikevim wrote:
I wouldn't claim that a work sold 6.5 million copies per volume because its animated adaptation - which didn't air until the manga run was nearly over - was done by Ufotable .


So first off please leave all your unchecked baggage about high guardian spice and women at the front desk. Nobody asked you to bring those in and they're way too big to be carry-ons.

Second, the anime adaption isn't the sole reason for Demon Slayer's success, but it's absolutely the starting point for it. Demon Slayer was a moderate success before the anime, but was very much considered a mid-level title for the magazine at the time. Its sales boost started almost immediately after the anime started airing, and didn't really explode until the following year.

Does that mean that it "only" succeeded because of the anime? No. Obviously people wouldn't keep buying new volumes if they only cared about the anime's production values. But that anime was also a crucial part of getting that snowball rolling - as was the start of the pandemic lockdowns that caused a surge in manga/anime consumption at large. That's not a knock against DS, but just an acknowledgment that a lot of different, disparate factors went into making it so big.
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mikevim wrote:
meiam wrote:
Budget/production are used interchangeable, but also nebulous from the audience point of view, were never really told what they are and production committee have every reason not to reveal those numbers, saying "everything gets about the same budget" is as trustworthy as your boss telling you every employee is paid the same. We don't really know how much money every production does actually get and there's a ton of other factor. I imagine that two production with the same actual budget but very different timeline (ie make this in 3 months or in 1 year) will results in vastly different end quality. But I think the point still stand, demon slayer is extremely average as far as story/writing/premise/concept and only stand out because it looks very good, say its production value (ie condition, staffs and such) were switched around with something like EX-arms and you'd probably have the opposite results in popularity.


I haven't seen Demon Slayer myself yet but two things I note about the "Demon Slayer only succeeded because of the great animation" types.

First, they tend to be in the "we need more yuri and other female driven shows!" camp. Meaning that they bash pretty much every popular show aimed at male demos regardless of their areas of merit.


Where's your source? Because from what I've experienced on social media, shojo and yuri fans generally mind their own business and only express disappointment when a shonen/seinen romance gets an anime adaptation. The people who bash Demon Slayer the most are shonen fans, purely out of spite. The "Demon Slayer is carried by animation" meme started because of shonen fans' gripes about the story being so basic compared to more "complex" shonen series like Attack on Titan or One Piece.

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Second, they ignore that the manga was a record-setting smash. DS volume 23 outsold Jujutsu Kaisen 14 and 15 combined. It sold 150 million volumes overall, good for #9 all time. The best part? DS is a relatively short runner with only 23 volumes over 4 years! ALL of the 8 ahead of it - as well as everything behind it but Attack on Titan, Astro Boy and Fist of the North Star - has at least double the volumes. Even the ones who had a similar # of volumes were serialized way longer. The only ones with a similar number of volumes and serialization length that had 100 million sales were Slam Dunk and North Star. And none of those had anywhere near DS' over 6.5 million average sales per volume, which is by far a record for long runners! Dragon Ball is #2 at under 6.2 million. Slam Dunk is #3 at under 5.5 million! When confronted with the absolutely historic DS manga sales the response: DS was at best a minor hit until the anime, meaning that the "great visuals" were responsible for not only the historic ratings but also the historic manga sales! Except that this isn't true either, and if it had been, it would have been unprecedented for both the anime and manga industry.


That was in 2020, this is 2023, Demon Slayer will likely make the Oricon charts again like it did last year. Blue Lock is capturing people's hearts right now, consistently competing with the likes of One Piece and Jujutsu Kaisen. Also shojosei fans kinda don't care about sales all that much. If they see a series in the Oricon chart, they'll be glad that it's just there.

mikevim wrote:
Again, I will likely never watch Demon Slayer because ultraviolent horror is not my thing. Plus from what I know of the main trio (Tanjiro, Zenitsu, Inosuke) I would find their personalities irritating. I can take one of the main party (i.e. Sakura in Naruto, Asta in Black Clover, Natsu in Fairy Tail, Bakugo in MHA) being grating but 2 is pushing it and all 3? Forget it. But that's just my personal likes and dislikes. Even if I were in the "we need more yuri and josei" camp, I wouldn't claim that a work sold 6.5 million copies per volume because its animated adaptation - which didn't air until the manga run was nearly over - was done by Ufotable instead of the High Guardian Spice people. (And funny that Ufotable's involvement didn't do squat for Touken Ranbu, God Eater, the Tales series or even their Type Moon stuff. Nope, Ufotable chose DS and DS alone to turn into a historic, industry changing phenomenon despite Type Moon representing lower risk and way more earning potential.) Then again a lot of the DS bashers liked and defended High Guardian Spice so who knows.


Tanjiro is calm and the sanest one of the group. Zenitsu is the one many people have problems with, because all he does is scream, cower in fear and try to be a casanova. Inosuke is funny because he's weird and voiced by Japanese and English Kirito.

Where are you getting the claim that Demon Slayer haters liked HGS from? I have never seen anyone defend that series. I have seen more people defend Cuties than that.

Also, the reason Ufotable got to do all those series is their partnership with Aniplex. Aniplex is the main producer for the Type Moon series; whether it be Garden of Sinners, Fates Apocrypha, Extra, Zero, stay night, Grand Order, etc., and Demon Slayer.


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Shay Guy wrote:
Between 100 Girlfriends and The Apothecary Diaries, I can’t believe I’m looking forward this much to TWO harem anime this year.

The Apothecary Diaries does primarily take place in an actual, literal harem in its early stages, but it isn't at all a harem series in the anime genre sense; the MC is neither part of the harem nor has a reverse-harem surrounding her. It's a mystery series much more in line with Raven of the Inner Palace (but without the supernatural elements). But yes, it's one of my most-anticipated upcoming adaptations.

So is Delicious in Dungeon. That's one I plan to recommend to all of my TTRPG friends.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:25 pm Reply with quote
mikevim wrote:
When confronted with the absolutely historic DS manga sales the response: DS was at best a minor hit until the anime, meaning that the "great visuals" were responsible for not only the historic ratings but also the historic manga sales! Except that this isn't true either, and if it had been, it would have been unprecedented for both the anime and manga industry.


To add to Nick's points, you keep saying "historic" and you don't think "unprecedented" describes the Demon Slayer phenomenon?

(Also, a while back I collected a bunch of sales figures for the manga, and considering that it was already selling insane numbers before the pandemic ever hit Japan… I'm not sure how much that actually contributed? Also it looks like the craze was starting to die down by late summer, until Mugen Train blew it up even more, but I'm not sure how that fits into the narrative.)

Key wrote:
The Apothecary Diaries does primarily take place in an actual, literal harem in its early stages, but it isn't at all a harem series in the anime genre sense; the MC is neither part of the harem nor has a reverse-harem surrounding her.


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TheSleepyMonkey wrote:

Generic is the last word I would ever use to describe Chainsaw Man. At best you can just find some common shonen tropes in the main trio, but "average" it sure as hell isn't.


It's not that you can find some shonen tropes, its built entirely out of tropes, you can write an entire synopsis for it and it would be hard to tell apart from other shonen like jujustu kaisen. Maybe there's something earth shattering that happens after the content that was adapted, but from watching the anime, its just an average shonen. Nothing wrong with that, but the hype really made it seems like it was something different when it wasn't.

mikevim wrote:

Second, they ignore that the manga was a record-setting smash. DS volume 23 outsold Jujutsu Kaisen 14 and 15 combined. It sold 150 million volumes overall, good for #9 all time. The best part? DS is a relatively short runner with only 23 volumes over 4 years! ALL of the 8 ahead of it - as well as everything behind it but Attack on Titan, Astro Boy and Fist of the North Star - has at least double the volumes. Even the ones who had a similar # of volumes were serialized way longer. The only ones with a similar number of volumes and serialization length that had 100 million sales were Slam Dunk and North Star. And none of those had anywhere near DS' over 6.5 million average sales per volume, which is by far a record for long runners! Dragon Ball is #2 at under 6.2 million. Slam Dunk is #3 at under 5.5 million! When confronted with the absolutely historic DS manga sales the response: DS was at best a minor hit until the anime, meaning that the "great visuals" were responsible for not only the historic ratings but also the historic manga sales! Except that this isn't true either, and if it had been, it would have been unprecedented for both the anime and manga industry.

You're going to have to back that up a lot more because even a slight googling show the exact opposite story.

According to this:
https://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-news/2020/01/27/demon-slayer-manga-has-exceeded-40-million-copies-sold-blown-past-sailor-moon-berserk-total-sales

DS was seeing relatively weak sales until volume 15+, which coincide perfectly with the release of the anime.
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