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I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff.

I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff.

And then go play a recent Atelier game which has none of that once you get past the surface of a character having big thighs or whatever

I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff.

EmeraldSaucer wrote:

And then go play a recent Atelier game which has none of that once you get past the surface of a character having big thighs or whatever

Come on now. Nobody is saying the earlier Atelier games had zero sexual content or innuendo, but you can't seriously tell me you haven't noticed how the camera points straight at Ryza's butt or cleavage every time you crawl through a tunnel (and there sure are a lot of tunnels that serve no real gameplay purpose) or that Yumia spins around every time you open the menu while the camera points right at her bouncing chest. Having that front and center constantly over the course of the entire game is quite different from having a couple of optional scenes.

The more recent games are not fanservice games on the tier of something like Senran Kagura, but the developers have absolutely noticed that there's a large contingent of fans who are here for fanservice and are leaning into it.

OtomeGay wrote:

I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff.

And for what it's worth, the series is divided into sets of mostly-independent trilogies, and you can definitely still play and enjoy the older games even if the newer ones don't appeal to you. I always recommend Atelier Ayesha as a good entry point.

EmeraldSaucer wrote:

And then go play a recent Atelier game which has none of that once you get past the surface of a character having big thighs or whatever

Come on now. Nobody is saying the earlier Atelier games had zero sexual content or innuendo, but you can't seriously tell me you haven't noticed how the camera points straight at Ryza's butt or cleavage every time you crawl through a tunnel (and there sure are a lot of tunnels that serve no real gameplay purpose) or that Yumia spins around every time you open the menu while the camera points right at her bouncing chest. Having that front and center constantly over the course of the entire game is quite different from having a couple of optional scenes.

The more recent games are not fanservice games on the tier of something like Senran Kagura, but the developers have absolutely noticed that there's a large contingent of fans who are here for fanservice and are leaning into it.

OtomeGay wrote:

I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff.

And for what it's worth, the series is divided into sets of mostly-independent trilogies, and you can definitely still play and enjoy the older games even if the newer ones don't appeal to you. I always recommend Atelier Ayesha as a good entry point.

EmeraldSaucer wrote:

And then go play a recent Atelier game which has none of that once you get past the surface of a character having big thighs or whatever

Come on now. Nobody is saying the earlier Atelier games had zero sexual content or innuendo, but you can't seriously tell me you haven't noticed how the camera points straight at Ryza's butt or cleavage every time you crawl through a tunnel (and there sure are a lot of tunnels that serve no real gameplay purpose) or that Yumia spins around every time you open the menu while the camera points right at her bouncing chest. Having that front and center constantly over the course of the entire game is quite different from having a couple of optional scenes.

The more recent games are not fanservice games on the tier of something like Senran Kagura, but the developers have absolutely noticed that there's a large contingent of fans who are here for fanservice and are leaning into it.

OtomeGay wrote:

I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff.

And for what it's worth, the series is divided into sets of mostly-independent trilogies, and you can definitely still play and enjoy the older games even if the newer ones don't appeal to you. I always recommend Atelier Ayesha as a good entry point.

I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff.

Vanadise wrote:

EmeraldSaucer wrote: And then go play a recent Atelier game which has none of that once you get past the surface of a character having big thighs or whatever Come on now. Nobody is saying the earlier Atelier games had zero sexual content or innuendo, but you can't seriously tell me you haven't noticed how the camera points straight at Ryza's butt or cleavage every time you crawl through a tunnel (and there sure are a lot of tunnels that serve no real gameplay purpose) or that Yumia spins around every time you open the menu while the camera points right at her bouncing chest. Having that front and center constantly over the course of the entire game is quite different from having a couple of optional scenes. The more recent games are not fanservice games on the tier of something like Senran Kagura, but the developers have absolutely noticed that there's a large contingent of fans who are here for fanservice and are leaning into it. OtomeGay wrote: I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff. And for what it's worth, the series is divided into sets of mostly-independent trilogies, and you can definitely still play and enjoy the older games even if the newer ones don't appeal to you. I always recommend Atelier Ayesha as a good entry point.

I think the point being made here is two-fold: 1. That despite the examples given here not being consistent in the same way as the butt or cleavage shots of something like Ryza or Yumia are, that past games have had fanservice that’s arguably more risqué than that. People seem to get up-in-arms about the sexualized trend of the characters and claim the fanservice is getting out of hand as if the series never leaned into such territory to begin with

2. Anyone who is knowledgeable of the franchise knows that consistently risqué camera angles or sexualized character designs didn’t start with the Ryza series. Atelier Meruru for example has battle camera angles that can find themselves up the skirt of its party members. Then you have the mysterious trilogy and Plachta’s design in Atelier Firis.

Again, this idea that it’s somehow becoming worse and that the series didn’t do this before is just false

we love lain wrote:

Vanadise wrote: EmeraldSaucer wrote: And then go play a recent Atelier game which has none of that once you get past the surface of a character having big thighs or whatever Come on now. Nobody is saying the earlier Atelier games had zero sexual content or innuendo, but you can't seriously tell me you haven't noticed how the camera points straight at Ryza's butt or cleavage every time you crawl through a tunnel (and there sure are a lot of tunnels that serve no real gameplay purpose) or that Yumia spins around every time you open the menu while the camera points right at her bouncing chest. Having that front and center constantly over the course of the entire game is quite different from having a couple of optional scenes. The more recent games are not fanservice games on the tier of something like Senran Kagura, but the developers have absolutely noticed that there's a large contingent of fans who are here for fanservice and are leaning into it. OtomeGay wrote: I always wanted to get into the Atelier series at some point, but lately they've gone all in with the fanservicey designs, and that's a big turnoff. And for what it's worth, the series is divided into sets of mostly-independent trilogies, and you can definitely still play and enjoy the older games even if the newer ones don't appeal to you. I always recommend Atelier Ayesha as a good entry point. I think the point being made here is two-fold: 1. That despite the examples given here not being consistent in the same way as the butt or cleavage shots of something like Ryza or Yumia are, that past games have had fanservice that’s arguably more risqué than that. People seem to get up-in-arms about the sexualized trend of the characters and claim the fanservice is getting out of hand as if the series never leaned into such territory to begin with 2. Anyone who is knowledgeable of the franchise knows that consistently risqué camera angles or sexualized character designs didn’t start with the Ryza series. Atelier Meruru for example has battle camera angles that can find themselves up the skirt of its party members. Then you have the mysterious trilogy and Plachta’s design in Atelier Firis. Again, this idea that it’s somehow becoming worse and that the series didn’t do this before is just false

Yes, exactly this. Anybody claiming that Ryza or Yumia are a step too far have not only never actually played those games to see how little fanservice there is to them beyond base character design and some camera angles, but have also never played earlier Atelier and assume they're something they're not just because of character design. It's textbook judging a book by its cover

Ayesha has multiple hotsprings scenes featuring an 11 year old girl btw, "great" purely wholesome experience there, no need to think any further about it because on a shallow level Hidari's art isn't like toridamono's or Benitama's