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slow_moe_504
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Well I have alot of old anime like Berserk and Record of the Lodoss war and many more. I have a lot of new anime thats out today as well. I think most of the old anime you see, looks a whole lot better then most of the anime you see today. I think most of the anime you see today from the character design, background designs and much more are pretty good, but some of the anime of the past is better. Im not talking about the storys that take place im just talking about the character designs and how well drawn everything is. Im just talking about anime generally. Im not talking about certain anime just anime anykind. I just want to see if anyone agree or disagree and here what everyone thinks about. Have you ever thought about that before?
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Nerv1
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Yes, I agree with you too. Recent anime have better art and character designs than compared to the ones 10 or so years ago ever since producers now have access to better computers which lead to better animation rather than relying on more hand drawn pictures. But stories now are starting to decline ever since the producers are starting to run out of ideas whcih makes the majority of popular series that were all created in the 90's and a handful of good ones from today.
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Anthony P
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Wasn't the OP saying that character design and art were better in old series? I think there's good points to both old and new animation, depending on what titles you're watching. Anime in the last few years has definitely gone towards a clean and crisp style of animation and art; sometimes, it seems like the art and animation are so clean and crisp that you won't even notice it unless you're paying attention to the art and animation specifically. I'm no expert on old-school titles, but compare the newer titles to certain older ones like, oh, Nausicaa or Angel's Egg. I think the art and animation for those really stands out and grabs your attention, and perhaps has a bit more "personality", so to speak. Also, I'm watching the first season of Star Blazers right now, and good lord the animation is horrible! But after watching so many newer titles, it's actually a lot of fun to watch something as old as this. |
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slow_moe_504
Posts: 37 Location: New Orleans La |
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Well im just saying that some anime from the past has better character and background designs. It's like they try to make them look as real as possible from the eyes to the ears i mean everything. Some of the stuff look so real. Most of the anime I see today if you pay any attention to it. All the characters look the same just have different styles.
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mjgeo
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Could you give some sort of idea as to what constitutes anime from the past, as opposed to the anime of today? Maybe a timeframe, or some examples of shows. In any event, I like the character designs in new series. But then again I don't mind my characters looking unrealistic, especially considering how unrealistic anime generally tends to be. |
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DragonsRevenge
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what do I think? I think the fact you consider Berzerk and Lodoss Wars old makes me feel old. Is the animation better? That's hard to say. Akira and Nausicaa are still two of the most beautifully animated movies ever, and deserve to stand along side Steamboy and Spirited Away. Animation quality is always hit and miss. There were some crappily animated projects back in the 80's and early 90's, and there are beautifully and crappy ones now. The only difference, digital animation make them look brighter and more colorful, thus giving them the impression that their better animated.
I can tell you this though: The well for original, unique character designs has been exhausted for quite some time. Nowadays, only Ghibli, Bee Train, Kon and Otomo's characters are distinct. The rest are more generic than Walmart cola. |
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Nerv1
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Doesn't this mean that the character designs from now and the past are pretty good? |
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Mirrinus
 Posts: 230 Location: La Thiene Plateau |
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I think it's difficult to generalize like that. It really does vary from studio to studio and series to series, regardless of the time-frame. I mean, just this past year we've seen a huge range of character and background designs. Compare Kanon 2006 to Higurashi no Naku Koro ni, there's quite a difference, even though both qualify as recent anime. Although, as a KyoAni fan, I think you'd know which one I prefer...
Story-wise, I actually enjoy more recent anime a whole lot more. Maybe it's because we've seen quite a few recent anime based off novels rather than manga, and I happen to enjoy novel stories more since they can't rely on visuals to carry them. These include anime such as The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, Shakugan no Shana, Zero no Tsukaima, and Full Metal Panic. I was never really much of a manga fan, but that's just me... Also, it seems the OP believes that anime of the past looks more realistic than anime of today, and claims this is how they are better. It's pretty subjective to equate "realistic" with "better" IMHO, as I like the character animation style for Kanon 2006 even though it's not that realistic (although the work on backgrounds and details such as snow and frost are incredibly life-like). Even then, it's not like we don't have our own share of realistic looking shows today. Death Note and Black Lagoon are decent examples. |
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SalarymanJoe
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He mentioned Lodoss and Berzerk, so the 1990s. I don't consider it all that old, to be honest. When I think of "old", I usually jump back to the beginning of the modern industry in Japan. To be honest, I think anime hit its technical climax in the late eighties and early 1990s. Even the cheap, run-of-the-mill TV animation had depth, definition, and variety looked great then.
Which is a shame for the technology and will only correct itself when technology can. In the past, financing and the refinement of techniques brought us from Tezuka's cartoony Tetsuwan Atom to detailed and gritty TV and OAVs of the 1980s and 1990s. That refinement is the technical skill of the people actually doing the animation. Computer software, cannot adapt the same way that an artist working with their hands on a medium can. I see this comparing animation quality with series like GitS:SAC when compared to that 80s classic, Bubblegum Crisis. They're both cyberpunk, so they both display a darker future with technology. Because Bubblegum was done by hand there that gritty feeling can be displayed in the animation. With computer animation focusing on the crisper, cleaner image, that added feeling of roughness is absent. And, call it rose-tinted glasses or fanboy nostalgia, but I think there is a little bit more personality and depth when characters are created by hand. To put it into pseudo-BS terminology, it can be almost like the artist put a little bit of soul into the work. I always go back to this when people compare the old cel animation to new CG animation: the opening of AKIRA. Look at that opening (or remember if you've seen the film), that city scape? The wide pans, the detailed buildings? That was all done by hand. No computers except for the human mind, if you consider that a computer. It blows me away, even if the film is nearly twenty years old and since I first saw it a decade ago. Always a fan of the classics |
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slow_moe_504
Posts: 37 Location: New Orleans La |
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I just mean any anime of the past from the 80's to the early 90's I know that Berserk and Record of the Lodoss war was in the 90's just giving an idea thats all.
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Iwatch2muchanime
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I find it hard to find many anime that can compete with anime from late 80s to late 90's. I like the older, hand drawn all the way, animation much better then the new stuff, yet although I say that I can't picture something like Kannazuki no Miko, Code Geass, or anything else that has such amazingly shiny, beautiful and/or fluid animation with the older look. It would look awkward and probably mess with the shows atmosphere. However I just love the older style better, that and a lot of REALLY great shows came out during that time. I mean Outlaw Star, Slayers, Cowboy Bebop, Eva and so many other memorable shows came out then. And I love most of them. (Not too big on Eva, but it's still good.)
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Well I'm a child of the OLD anime form the 70's and early 80's Now that's old anime! As for your timeline of the 80's til about early 90's I have a slightly confusing point of view. I think the new characters look nicer but they don't look better. Here's the difference. We have greatly impproved the art of animation and the quality of the character and background designs. They, for the most part, look much more polished and much more detailed. However, this does not make them better. While the characters may look more polished and artsy they seem to have lost their individuality. "Older anime" characters seemed to stand out more and really catch your eye I think. To me they also had a greater sense of diversity and depth to them. They may have not had the glitz and glamor we see now but they had more, for lack of better term, soul to them. I feel the same way about many plots and series as a whole but that's another topic for another time. One other way to look at it is many characters now don't seem as "real" as older ones did. That extra depth made them seem more real and relatable. Sure, you have plenty of characters you can relate to now but it seems more like you can relate to them based on their SITUATION, and not so much as them as a PERSON. I would take some classic older titles such as Patlabor, Gundam, or Project A-ko over many newer titles today. I have always said I think we've traded some of the soul of characters and series for fancier art.
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Craeyst Raygal
 Posts: 1383 Location: In the garage, beneath a 1970 MGB GT. |
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Quite honestly, I'm trying to see how brighter, computer aided coloring equates to better art.
I think the best way to truly compare our past and our present is to use a "control" subject to judge upon. And, for this purpose, I think we should take a look at one of anime's great leading ladies who will be celebrating her 20th birthday next year: the Goddess Belldandy from Oh! My Goddess. Here, we'll use two versions of Bell that have appeared on film..... Firstly, from 1992, we have OAV Belldandy. http://www.animanga.com/index/cassette/large/god1007.jpg and from 2005, we have TV Belldandy http://img273.imageshack.us/img273/918/ams1068fo.jpg Compare and contrast folks, which character design and coloration is really more appropriate for the character in question? There: Links Fixed Last edited by Craeyst Raygal on Wed Feb 21, 2007 8:57 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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DragonsRevenge
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Give me some links that arent broken, and I could tell you. |
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Da Games Elite
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In general, older anime have a sense of nastalgia equiped with their art style. It isn't neccessarily better or worse than the old styles. It is more the memories attached to them that make them seem better. Nevertheless, alot of the newer animation isn't granted the time and effort devoted to the original animation. Even if that wasn't alot either, newer anime is, for better or worse, made much faster than older ones. Processed almost.
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