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Jamison



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:36 pm Reply with quote
How often do you guys miss a really good series the first time (fansubs or TV broadcasts), only to wait months or even years before getting into it?

I'm usually not the "jump on the bandwagon" type person when it comes to following a recent series that everyone in the online anime community talks and raves about. Keeping up to date with new anime is tough for me to do and I always try to wait until a series is licensed or has finished it's run stateside. But it somehow leaves you with a feeling of missing out on watching something that everybody else has.

As an example, having just received my Lucky Star DVD, I actually got the feeling of watching a show with all of it's initial hype slowly fading away. It was my first time seeing the series after hearing so many good things about it when it was first released in fansubs, but for some reason I felt that it would have been a lot more fun interacting with other anime fans as the series was being released and open to speculation.

In the end though, for me to finally get into a really good show is all that counts.
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dtm42



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:55 pm Reply with quote
When I was still a new fan, I was in a strange state. I bought the latest Anime, and the old classics (those that people still talk about), but nothing in between. As my collection grew, I found series that were not being mentioned much, like Gasaraki (seven years old by that stage). I would have loved to talk about Gasaraki in the same way as I have had the privilage of talking about Gundam 00 (an inferior show, in my opinion). Both are Mecha, with storylines strongly featuring politics.

There are other examples, but they are unnecessary. I know what you go through.
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JacobC
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:03 pm Reply with quote
Up til about four months ago, I hit everything late.

And then I got the internet. But I'm still hitting things late. I just prefer to go back and watch old stuff that everyone tells me is good than see ZOMG! "The BIGGEST new thing from JAPAN! EVERYBODY'S talking about KANON!"

It's mean, but it's true. I'll pick on Kanon because it was a classic example. It was sweet, yes, and better than 80% of its ilk, but it isn't going to stand the test of time like FLCL, Escaflowne, and maybe Saikano.

(Why did I pick those three series? Because I haven't seen/finished them yet, but I know the ride will be good/end nicely.)
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Kruszer



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:35 pm Reply with quote
I don't really pay attention to that sort of bandwagon/craze crap really. I just watch what I want if I think it looks interesting, whenever I get to it. Doesn't matter when you saw something as long as you enjoyed yourself.

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Vortextk



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:40 pm Reply with quote
As far as fansubs go, I watch things after they finish, not as they air(except for long running series like Bleach). I do a little bit half and half overall though. I'll watch a few of the latest and greatest and then skip back between 2 and 10 years(not very old, I know) to watch a few anime from that period inbetween.

I don't like waiting a week for just 20 minutes and while I would like to discuss series with other fans, threads die down pretty quick after an ending with a few exceptions.
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Zivil



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:28 pm Reply with quote
I usually get everything late, mainly because I want the entire series all at once, and I'm a tightwad. I'm not patient enough to wait several months for the next disk to come out, but I can wait a year or so for the whole set. I absolutely cannot stand having an incomplete series... and I love the Bargain Bin.

I do understand what you are saying, though. I just got the entire Last Exile series and am absolutely loving it. But most of the threads regarding the show are several years old, or at least many, many months old. I definitely don't want to pull up something from that far back (actually I'm not sure if the forum program would even let me) and I feel a little constrained from beginning a thread for a show that is no longer near the top of anyone else's "To Do" list. It's not about to stop me from enjoying the heck out of this show though Smile
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Randall Miyashiro



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:41 am Reply with quote
Jamison wrote:

I'm usually not the "jump on the bandwagon" type person when it comes to following a recent series that everyone in the online anime community talks and raves about. Keeping up to date with new anime is tough for me to do and I always try to wait until a series is licensed or has finished it's run stateside. But it somehow leaves you with a feeling of missing out on watching something that everybody else has.


Having never downloaded anime I can understand a bit of what you are saying when there are huge threads on certain series here that have yet to be licensed. I felt a bit of that a few months ago when Beck ended and I spent a good amount of time wading through the fairly old Beck thread. It seems that the R1 industry is getting a good amount of pressure from fans to release titles quicker which will help. I'm also a fan of series with monthly domestic releases since this would maintain a pace with the Japanese broadcast release instead of falling even further behind. While the first Gundam Seed DVD didn't feel that late in it's domestic release volume 12 of Seed Destiny felt rather old being released four years later despite the year break in it's Japanese broadcast.
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fokkusuhaundo



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:12 am Reply with quote
There's one thing you can't do when you're following a show during it's Japanese broadcast or it's DVD release, and that's marathoning! The wait can be painful between releases for some shows and it can be easy to forget what happened on the last episode, so it's sometimes great to just have the entire series in your hands to watch at any pace you want.
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NocturnalUX



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:42 am Reply with quote
Kruszer wrote:
I don't really pay attention to that sort of bandwagon/craze crap really. I just watch what I want if I think it looks interesting, whenever I get to it. Doesn't matter when you saw something as long as you enjoyed yourself.


I agree with this, I really do not care about how hyped a show may be if the premise does not interest me. I arrived at anime fairly late and have only been a fan for little over a year so there are plenty of things that will be very new to me that the community has already watched over and over again. It just means that I have a lot of catching up to do but it does not bother me. My "to watch" list comprises over 200 titles at the moment so I will not be running out of material that interest me any time soon.

As far as I see it, one already has so many grueling tasks in everyday life that adding band wagon mentality to what one enjoys as entertainment is just too much.
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ikillchicken



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:25 am Reply with quote
No, I'm almost perpetually behind on anime. It's kind of a good thing though because it makes it a lot easier to deal with the delays before the R1 release if I want to wait to watch stuff dubbed which I prefer.
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Vuwazy



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:28 am Reply with quote
Jamison wrote:
I'm usually not the "jump on the bandwagon" type person when it comes to following a recent series that everyone in the online anime community talks and raves about. Keeping up to date with new anime is tough for me to do and I always try to wait until a series is licensed or has finished it's run stateside. But it somehow leaves you with a feeling of missing out on watching something that everybody else has.

I try to watch as many of the ongoing stuff before they end as much as I can. I don't need to marathon to get into the flow of things. It all depends though. With older stuff that I haven't seen before, I may if I want to get things sped up or took the time in investing them and they had me liking them. With stuff that come out of recent, I try to catch as much possible when they are fresh and new. With me also bouncing from show to show. Sometimes that lets me feel the hype movement that may go on in a certain show coming out at its respective time as well.
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fighterholic



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:56 am Reply with quote
I am very, very behind anime in this day and age. Not really because I want to be, but there's so many other things I have prioritized. I get around to watching stuff when I can, and I probably still enjoy them. It's like gaming. The newest I have is a PS2, albeit the older version.
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Jih2



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 4:48 pm Reply with quote
Understand exactly how you feel. If I don't watch fansubs of a show as it airs in Japan odds are I'm not going to be able to talk to anyone in this forum about it or any other fans I know in real life. I have high hopes of one day being part of an anime club equivalent of a book club in which we all get so far in a series and then have a roundtable discussion, possibly a writing prompt, etc and progress in this manner through various series but this just isn't going to happen.

On the other end of the spectrum, I do like moving through and to a series at my own pace, it's nice only watching one disc a week. I really should do more of my viewing in that manner, I feel like I've taken a nice piece to digest as opposed to gagging on the entire chicken.
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Axe-336



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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:13 am Reply with quote
It depends on a number of things which have already been mentioned: Do you download at all, do you watch the forums and/or download counts for whats "hot", do you even care about whether you'll be able to talk about a series thats going on?

The main reason I like to be "In the know" is for jokes during a cons Cosplay performances. Or, similarly, to be able to recognize cosplayers (Which I tend to fail at anyway because some people suck at costumes...). Also I just like to know just in case one of my few anime friends asks me for my opinion on a series, and because generally the "Hot new thing" is actually good.

I think the hardest thing is coming in late on a series that is still going. A long one like Bleach or D. Gray-Man. If everyone is up on episode 80 and you're coming on a forum like "Dude, I just started, this series is so cool, I wanna talk about it." you'll most likely get replies like "Thats great that you started, come back when you've caught up." or a few other new fans might post on your thread, but then you start watching at different rates and your fan friend is suddenly like "Dude, eps. 36 is SWEET!" and you have to reply "Umm, I'm on eps. 19 still."

In the end, initial discussions on a series don't really matter. Sure its cool to be discussing "What'll happen next?" But it really doesn't do much except help the producers know what people think about the show as its running, and its not like the anime producers in Japan care what's being written in a stateside forum. Well, a few might, but they'd probably just mostly be thinking "Ah, they're downloading my anime." In the double meaning of people liking it and piracy at once. But I liked the "Anime 'book' club" idea the one poster had where a group of people get together and agree to watch a series together and discuss it. If a series is ultimately worthwhile, like Evangelion or Cowboy Bebop, you should be able to get a group together and be like "Okay, we're all going to watch this series at this pace and meet to discuss it each week." That might actually be fun if you got like 5 or 6 people to do that.
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2008 2:38 am Reply with quote
dtm42 wrote:
As my collection grew, I found series that were not being mentioned much, like Gasaraki (seven years old by that stage).
Coincidentally, I just watched Gasaraki a few months ago, and found it eerily current despite its age. (US embroiled in quagmire Middle Eastern war, skyrocketing grain prices...we need to get Japan to deploy the Gundams Tactical Armors to Iraq to help us out Laughing )

I've had this happen with a number of series. Even though I do DL fansubs on a regular basis, I don't keep up with everything, and a lot of the times I pick less-popular series to follow and wind up missing out. Higurashi no Naku Koro Ni stands out in my mind...upon reading some of the discussion thread here, I wish I could've participated in it as it unfolded. Some other ones where I felt I missed the main fansub hype period were Rozen Maiden (which came out slightly before I even started DLing fansubs) and Utawarerumono. It's even worse watching something like Kurau Phantom Memory that didn't make much of a splash in the fansub scene and was even lesser known when I watched it as the DVDs came out. But I try not to let the hype affect me too much -- I just watch what I want to watch, when I want to watch it, and try to avoid spoilers. Unfortunately that's quite difficult with some series, such as Death Note, Code Geass, and TTGL. TTGL was one that I didn't DL as it came out, and I paid the price.
Axe-336 wrote:
But I liked the "Anime 'book' club" idea the one poster had where a group of people get together and agree to watch a series together and discuss it. If a series is ultimately worthwhile, like Evangelion or Cowboy Bebop, you should be able to get a group together and be like "Okay, we're all going to watch this series at this pace and meet to discuss it each week." That might actually be fun if you got like 5 or 6 people to do that.
I do like this idea, and I've seen it done on the AoD forums -- take a series and do a week by week, episode by episode discussion. Except instead of a fansub/currently-airing series, do it for a series that's completely released in R1. If there's interest in such a thread, nominate a series or two here, and hopefully we'll be able to create a discussion thread for all of us "behind-the-times" people.
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