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Remember when people were defending Kite's "story"

Pants: There's three cuts of the movie, one being the sexless version, the second being the directors cut (released in the US after the edited version, which omitted nothing barring about 17 seconds of footage of an obviously very young girl being raped), and the third being the uncut version which is more or less only available in the US and Germany, which contains that 17 seconds (MB originally didn't want to release it because it'd only appeal to pedophiles. They ended up putting it out anyway).

Currently Japan only has the Directors Cut in print.

I only saw the edited version of Mezzo Forte, but it was pretty easy to figure out where the sex scenes went. Mezzo Forte was very light hearted (unlike the dark and depressing Kite) and unless I'm mistaken on where the scene was, the first scene would have been consensual (and spoiler[a dream]. While second was rape, spoiler[it later turns out to have been an android, not the girl].

They're fine, but the girl dresses in a maid outfit.

Fine in the fact there total crap, honestly I don't know why people would defend kite in the first place it wasn't even good, there's nothing in that story worth the amount buzz that show had. Just because there a sex scene in it doesn't mean that the story is good, get over people you wanted to see Hentai without saying it.

i personally liked Mezzo Forte better. not only were the action sequences better, but it had a sense of humor. i just wish it didn't have the pointless H scenes

The sex honestly didn't add anything to it, but the core story was a good one and would've made for a damn good movie or series. It almost reminded me of Point of no Return. Mezzo was not as good, story wise, but it also had potential. You had potential to turn that into an anime version of La Femme Nekita if they had done it right. I hope maybe this time they might get a clue and turn this into something good because the OVA had a lot of potential it didn't tap into.

I also heard it had loli in it, but there was none to be found... And no, if they're just underage it doesn't count as loli. All of those girls had pretty large breasts, which is not loli.

Pants: There's three cuts of the movie.

The sex scenes in Kite, and especially in Mezzo Forte, would also put most hentai and hard-core porn scenes to shame. They also all involved rape if I'm not mistaken which is huge turn off and not erotic in anyway.

Wow. I had no idea, before reading this thread, that people defended Kite's story, that all three versions were actually available in the US, that people like Kite better than Mezzo... wow.

indrik wrote:

Wow. I had no idea, before reading this thread, that people defended Kite's story, that all three versions were actually available in the US, that people like Kite better than Mezzo... wow.

Even subjects that may thoroughly annoy or completely disgust can still be worthy of discussion on occasion. Kite is memorable not just for its shocking content and impressive production values for its time but also for the competing furors that erupted first as a result of the initial censorship and then in reaction to the eventual uncut releases. I doubt most anime fans have a copy of Kite in their collection but most do seem to have at least heard about it. That alone would seem to be quite an accomplishment for an anime title that upon initial description appears to be little more than a disgusting homage to lolicon hentai.

Pants: There's three cuts of the movie, one being the sexless version, the second being the directors cut (released in the US after the edited version, which omitted nothing barring about 17 seconds of footage of an obviously very young girl being raped), and the third being the uncut version which is more or less only available in the US and Germany, which contains that 17 seconds (MB originally didn't want to release it because it'd only appeal to pedophiles. They ended up putting it out anyway).

Maybe it's time for a reality check. Those girls were obviously young, very young in fact. Although modern lolicon has apparently managed to surpass even Kite's content, at the time Kite was released it was still considered extremely vulgar to show such young girls engaging in sex acts, let along being raped by adult males.

PantsGoblin is right though, the addition of breasts makes it rather hard to call her a "loli" character except in the flashbacks potentially (I probably saw the Directer's cut myself, so I can't comment there).

To be quite honest, I don't see why people look down on the sex scenes in anime like this. It's all entertainment, and is there something wrong with something to tries to cover everything coherently?

It's the same reason that sex, drugs, and rock and roll go together, the same reason sex and violence go together. They're all part of the human psyche. Personally, I love the idea of shows that get into the nitty gritty of every aspect of the situation, shows that have no shame and just to want shock and/or titilate you. I mean come on, who here loved "300"? That movie was freaking awesome. Of course, there were a number of scenes and lines that bugged the hell out of me while I was watching it as they shattered the carefully constructed adrenoline atmosphere; but in the end, when I walked out of the theatre the first time I saw that movie, the only thing that went through my mind was "Holy f***ing shit! Badass!"

That said, I didn't really like most of the sex scenes in Kite either. I didn't feel they were terribly "out of place", they just didn't appeal to me. However, the fact that the show combined some rather awesome action, nice animation, and made the character's motives seem pretty darn understandable while including some graphic sex and violence without turning into a completely sex oriented movie made me respect it a heck of a lot more. (dear god that was a long sentence...)

PantsGoblin is right though, the addition of breasts makes it rather hard to call her a "loli" character except in the flashbacks potentially (I probably saw the Directer's cut myself, so I can't comment there). Sawa's supposed to be 15? I thought she was supposed to be older than that; compared to the claimed ages of anime characters in most shows, Sawa looks so old she looks like she's about to hit menopause.

EDIT: That's the flashback? Wow, I'm surprised it got as much flak as it did.

Lolis are generally around the age of 7-13. She looked like she was 14 or 15. When they start to get developed, they're not loli anymore. I'm not trying to say it's anymore acceptable, I'm just saying by what is generally accepted to be loli, she ain't it. Loli is really more of a body type indicator though, not an age indicator.