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Vaisaga
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2026 5:27 pm |
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| Quote: | | If there's a “true” tragedy in this story, it's that Scarlett died for nothing. |
I wouldn't say that. If Scarlet hadn't died she wouldn't have teamed up with Connie. It's the team work of the nice girl and the villainess that is cracking this case wide open.
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Shion44
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2026 10:33 pm |
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Wdym nothing? Her tragic death literally stall the Empire plan for a decade at least.
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Aerdra
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2026 6:20 am |
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Is the king of this country not very powerful? Could he not just pardon Dylan?
I'm doubling down on my previous theory that San is Princess Alexandria. If the princess is about to be executed, it'd make sense for her to disguise herself and sneak out of the country.
I don't know why we should mourn Deborah Darkian. As far as I know, she's still alive and actively participating in Daeg Gallus's conspiracy.
| John the Dark Lord wrote: | | People may accuse me of beating a dead horse, since it's well established by now that the anime is rushing through the plot, but sorry, this episode just annoyed me.
Duke Castiel's flashback was originally longer and gave a lot more detail on his relationship with his wife (including showing the night where she seduced him into conceiving Scarlett, which made his "I couldn't help it" line as funny as it was heartwarming), which is what have weight to his crying scene at the end.
More importantly to me though, is the graveyard scene. I find it downright nonsensical that they kept it after cutting pretty much all the scenes that explained Randolph's past and his complicated family situation. Without them, an anime-only viewer has no context to understand why he would think Connie is scared of him and why her acceptance was so important to him.
The simple fact is, a work like this that has a huge cast, lots of intersecting backstories, and a mystery with a lot of moving parts, is not the kind of work that still works well when you are rushing through the main plot points like a speeding train. There is no time for the audience to absorb the information they are given and ponder on its meaning before they are thrown into an different problem. |
As an anime-only viewer, I completely agree. It was obvious to me in some episodes that details have been skipped even before source readers mentioned it. The scene this episode between Randolph and Constance came out of nowhere. This anime really could've used a couple more episodes; isn't it theoretically possible to fit 14 episodes into one cour?
| Shion44 wrote: | | Wdym nothing? Her tragic death literally stall the Empire plan for a decade at least. |
I do agree with you in that Scarlett's (and Lily's) death did serve to delay the plot of Daeg Gallus, but I also agree with the reviewer in that it didn't deal with the root causes of the plot. Scarlett was sacrificed to prevent the enemy from winning immediately, but someone else now needs to do something about the enemy's current plan.
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Thesarum
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2026 7:37 pm |
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| Aerdra wrote: | Is the king of this country not very powerful? Could he not just pardon Dylan?
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| Shion44 wrote: | | Wdym nothing? Her tragic death literally stall the Empire plan for a decade at least. |
I do agree with you in that Scarlett's (and Lily's) death did serve to delay the plot of Daeg Gallus, but I also agree with the reviewer in that it didn't deal with the root causes of the plot. Scarlett was sacrificed to prevent the enemy from winning immediately, but someone else now needs to do something about the enemy's current plan. |
The whole "Scarlett had to die to save Dylan and so she can't be used as a puppet" is just weak for me. The plan was to put people off executions? Did the mob at Scarlett's execution look very revolted? "The people" were the most enthusiastic participants in that farce, as neither the loyalists nor Daeg Gallus actually wanted her dead. Dylan was ultimately spared but it's far from obvious to me (I guess as an anime only missing a few pieces) that Scarlett's execution was a critical causal link in that. And does anyone honestly see Scarlett being a puppet for anyone? Her options and power might have been limited in that scenario, but you can bet she'd have used absolutely everything available to her to assert her proud independence.
Nothing meaningful was resolved by her death. Deag Gallus has at least as much power as before, a sizable portion of the country's elite remain in their clutches as either willing conspirators or just dependent drug addicts. They've installed a crown princess of their own (though her measures to avoid conceiving a child are an odd wrinkle we'll hopefully address at some point). Maybe there was no military invasion, but it's hard to argue the country is in a better position. The King is basically ousted from power, and his Machiavelli, Scarlett's father, looks like it's taken all he has just trying to hold on to his sanity and what little is left of his influence.
The weakness of the previous generation aside, this is a good episode. Miss Pink PTA being a spy/assassin is brilliant and hilarious. The sign of Scarlett's father drowning in grief with her urn was heartrending even if I have no sympathy for the decisions he made. And I enjoyed getting to know Scarlett's mother a little - she seemed great and you can certainly trace her influence in her daughter. As everyone has already remarked, it's a shame there wasn't room for more of this.
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Yuvelir
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2026 7:09 pm |
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I don't quite enjoy the sympathetic tone for the idiot dad in this episode. Scarlet wanted revenge for her death, but she seems to be done with the actual culprits and will move on to the conspirators?
The evil conspirators that sure, wanted to use her, but not actually harming her in any way, whereas the guys who DID use her denying her life, her dignity, her chances and her peace get to go free with a pat on the back. Miss me with that, they made several choices and each one of them was awful and deserving of punishment on their own.
Why assume she'd become a puppet ruler? If anything else she's more likely to turn it around and take over Faris.
Let's assume that for some weird reason her becomning queen means Faris always takes over no matter what. Why instantly jump to murder without ever considering any options that don't involve murder?
Let's assume that after careful consideration murder is the only viable option. Why keep her completely in the dark and have her march to her death in ignorance, confusion and humilliation? Not like she did let herself be humilliated, but still. She wasn't going to throw a tantrum.
And what about the humilliation of public execution? What kind of insane, backwards and ineffective reasoning was that? It would be one thing if you wanted to send Daeg Gallus a message, but this? Did you subject your daughter to this on the off chance that the audience will feel disgust instead of cheering like they always do? Sure there was Connie but I doubt you needed this public display to place her against executions.
So anyway, poor guy had it rough. Let's console him a little.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 9:42 am |
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Scarlett's father can cry all he wants, not only did he have executed an innocent on purpose, the one he had executed was his very own daughter, who he is crying about now. I hope he lives for a very long time, with his daughter's urn as a dragging weight on his soul.
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Animan00
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 5:02 pm |
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Adelbide has known, for years, that the Faris CIA has been running an op on them. But instead of investing in their own counter-intelligence apparatus, Adelbide has been depending on various 'plucky nobles in over their heads' to bail them out (as it seems from the anime). At this point, I'm like 'Faris are the bad guys, but they put in the work, while the Adelbide government just twiddled their thumbs and depended on someone else to step up and fix things'. I will absolutely understand if this goes bad end, and Faris ends up winning. I won't like it, but I'll understand.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2026 11:00 pm |
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I like a good full circle story.
The story began with Pamela framing Constance for a crime she didn't commit and ruining her engagement, and now the final arc is kicking off with Pamela framing Constance for a crime she didn't commit and ruining her engagement.
The entire main plot was started by Scarlett being framed for a crime she didn't commits and executed for it. And now the same thing is happening to Constance.
But the devil is in the details as there are clear distinctions to the situations. Constance is willingly confessing to the crime she's being accused, sacrificing her freedom and possibly her life to undermine Daeg Gallus and save Randolph, a fiancé she is genuinely, mutually, in love with compared to what she used to have. To be sincere, even in a lie, to the bitter end. Something Scarlett never had the chance to be because the choice was basically taken out of her hands.
And because Constance is not Scarlett and she's grown so much, gained so many allies, that she probably has the resources and people she can rely on to help save her from this.
Also I have to laugh at Enrique going for a big reveal scene with Cecilia...and still being dumb enough to get poisoned by her. He really is as much of an idiot as Scarlett called him.
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Aerdra
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2026 12:30 pm |
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Poor Deborah. Not.
Even someone as deeply involved in Daeg Gallus as Salvador still retains some sense of morals, however twisted it may be. He's made it clear multiple times now that he doesn't want to kill children, even though the conspiracies he's participating in would harm many people, probably including children. Meanwhile Deborah has a personal vendetta against Abigail which might not be related to Daeg Gallus. At least, she's ready to kill Lucia even though it doesn't serve their plans, just to spite Abigail. How ironic that she was disposed by Daeg Gallus, forced to become an addict to the drug she helped to smuggle.
I'm surprised that Kimberly survived her "last stand" last episode. She seemed annoying when Constance first met her, but first impressions can be deceiving. I'm glad she's still around. Randolph also held his own pretty well this episode, with some help from Scarlett. The Ulster training they received is no joke.
The eye color thing is beyond me. Apparently a lot of the eye colors that seemed bluish-violet to me don't count, and only a specific shade marks a person as royalty. And this eye-color thing seems very important to Faris, since it's the ones with bluish-violet eyes that have the strongest claims to the throne, rather than the ones who were born earlier.
Also, it seems like story cuts are having another effect here. We were led to believe that the fourth prince of Faris is behind Daeg Gallus, but new evidence suggests another prince is involved. This revelation has no weight, though, because we haven't really learned anything about the Faris factions. The only thing about them that gets consistent screen time is the wrapped object San is carrying around.
I knew there was a rat in the Security Force. I don't know why they're letting him do something as important as making an arrest and leading an interrogation, given that he proved himself "incompetent" in the past. He's not even being subtle about it either, blatantly telling the suspect to stop giving information that would be useful to the Security Force.
I don't understand why Enrique had to marry Cecila to carry out his plan. A lot of the politics of this world seem to have been cut from the story.
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Cosmos503
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2026 2:12 pm |
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This episode felt too crammed for me. Sounds like the books are more "dense" and that to make this anime, instead of focusing on a few plot threads....they decided put them all into this one episode...especially as they are running out of season...one second the detective story, then a shoot out, then the will-they-won't they ... all that would've made one good episode...then they throw in another kidnapping, poisoning, crazy women, threats, treason, framing, imprisonment, sentencing, breakup....sigh. Other series would have stretched this one episode into an entire season (for the worse), reversely, i felt like this one was reading the plot summary of the book...at least they showed it happening I guess
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MFrontier
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Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2026 10:07 pm |
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| Aerdra wrote: | | Poor Deborah. Not.
Even someone as deeply involved in Daeg Gallus as Salvador still retains some sense of morals, however twisted it may be. He's made it clear multiple times now that he doesn't want to kill children, even though the conspiracies he's participating in would harm many people, probably including children. Meanwhile Deborah has a personal vendetta against Abigail which might not be related to Daeg Gallus. At least, she's ready to kill Lucia even though it doesn't serve their plans, just to spite Abigail. How ironic that she was disposed by Daeg Gallus, forced to become an addict to the drug she helped to smuggle. |
It seemed like Deborah and Abigail used to be genuine friends once-upon-a-time before Deborah possibly fell in with a bad crowd and became like she is in the present. Or maybe it was also because she resented Abigail for being "better" than her.
| Quote: | | I knew there was a rat in the Security Force. I don't know why they're letting him do something as important as making an arrest and leading an interrogation, given that he proved himself "incompetent" in the past. He's not even being subtle about it either, blatantly telling the suspect to stop giving information that would be useful to the Security Force. |
It seems like he's Randolph's 2nd in the Security Forces, so if Randolph was under investigation he would take point. It didn't seem like Randolph ever suspected him.
(Plus there was no way Randolph would willingly arrest Constance)
| Quote: | | I don't understand why Enrique had to marry Cecila to carry out his plan. A lot of the politics of this world seem to have been cut from the story. |
It seemed like the plan ostensibly was to keep her close until she acted out in such a way that Enrique could get his dad to do something, which turned out to be the bombs. Why it took this long I can only imagine is because Cecilia was on her best behavior (outside distributing Jackal's Paradise) for a while before Faris decided to enact the Holy Grail of Eris again in full force.
Although it does seem like she genuinely didn't suspect Enrique suspected her until this moment. I have to imagine those were probably the most unromantic sharing of a bed between a married couple when they mutually despised each other despite having to put in the appearance otherwise.
| Cosmos503 wrote: | This episode felt too crammed for me. Sounds like the books are more "dense" and that to make this anime, instead of focusing on a few plot threads....they decided put them all into this one episode...especially as they are running out of season...one second the detective story, then a shoot out, then the will-they-won't they ... all that would've made one good episode...then they throw in another kidnapping, poisoning, crazy women, threats, treason, framing, imprisonment, sentencing, breakup....sigh. Other series would have stretched this one episode into an entire season (for the worse), reversely, i felt like this one was reading the plot summary of the book...at least they showed it happening I guess |
I think it's just a consequence of this type of show only getting one-cour to adapt the plot.
So either you speedrun through the material to reach a proper conclusion or you end on a cliffhanger and force people to read the LN to see the ending.
I guess the producers could have tried to secure 2-cour but it feels like a harder sell for this kind of series.
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Aerdra
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2026 6:30 am |
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Connie's sincerity throughout the story has won her many allies, and now those allies are ready to fight on her behalf.
I do feel bad for Cecilia. I understand why she was so driven to get revenge, even if I don't agree with how it harmed so many innocent bystanders. Like Salvador, she's reluctant to harm children. It also seems like she's caught up in something way beyond her original intent. Daeg Gallus is exploiting her hatred of one noble to undermine the whole country, and she might be in too deep now to turn back.
| Quote: | | If The Holy Grail of Eris has had one persistent fault, it's that it's trying to cram too much into too few episodes. As we approach the end of the story, that results in far too many secrets being unveiled too quickly, like Cecilia's actual backstory and the plan about the Farisian princess. |
I agree completely. The Faris side of the story could've been so interesting if it had more time to develop, but it all feels so meaningless to me. It looks like one of Theophilis's advisors has a tattoo of the sun. So what? He was only introduced just a few seconds ago.
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Gina Szanboti
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2026 7:10 pm |
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If it turns out that the swordswoman is the real third princess, I will not be shocked. If not her, then her sidekick.
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Posted: Sun Mar 22, 2026 12:41 am |
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| Gina Szanboti wrote: | | If it turns out that the swordswoman is the real third princess, I will not be shocked. If not her, then her sidekick. |
Oh, ever since the third princess was mentioned, I have been assuming it was one of them.
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Blaze_1013
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Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2026 7:15 am |
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I really wanted to like this series. I can see the great series I'm sure it is in the source material, but man the pacing really was too fast. I'm normally decent at keeping track of characters and plot beats, but for a lot of the series I just felt like I was missing pieces of the story and characters. I'm sure some of that is from me just forgetting stuff week to week, but the fact we're not given time to sit with the characters and events really does hurt a series where part of the fun is piecing stuff together and seeing how the web is woven. It still isn't bad by any means, but when you can tell it should have been a lot better than it ended up it does sting.
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