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utawoutau



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:02 pm Reply with quote
Forgive me if this has been excessively discussed before.

Does anyone else feel a bit peeved at the number of manga series that could be going into Shonen Jump, but is instead going straight to graphic novels? Rurouni Kenshin, Bleach, Beet, etc.

I understand that straight to graphic novel means that you can read through the series a whole lot quicker - instead of waiting each month for two new installments you get something like 5 - 7 every couple of months. But there are a number of series that I would enjoy reading in Shonen Jump but don't really want to own the graphic novel.

And especially now that they've remove Dragon Ball Z from the monthly mag, and I guess aren't replacing it with anything....

Does anyone know what the sales numbers are for U.S. Jump? Are they good, bad, just okay? 'Cause I am wondering why with all of these great series, they only produce this thing once a month - especially in light of the fact that it comes out each week in Japan.
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Dranxis



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:59 am Reply with quote
I don't know the numbers for certain, but I'm pretty sure the graphic novels sell better than the magazine, which would explain why more series are in the GN line than in the magazine. To be honest, I'm kind of happy that way, since I really hate waiting 5 months for each volume of Naruto... (I almost exclusively collect the GN's...)

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DemonEyesLeo



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:54 am Reply with quote
I imagine the numbers are good enough to keep it going, I mean the magazine is almost 3 years old. As to why they don't publish, series like Bleach and Rurouni Kenshin, well that'll make the magazine bigger and more expensive. I'm glad that more series are coming straight to GN format, 'cause I hate waiting 4 or 5 months for new Yu Yu Hakusho.
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GoodLuckSaturday



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:26 pm Reply with quote
I dislike the wait for new graphic novels of those that run in the magazine. It sucks that the actual magazine isn't as superb as it deserves to be, but in its current format and content, I enjoy the setup. I support and read considerably more straight to graphic novel Shonen Jump series than I do those that run in the magazine, and I'd dislike having to wait four-five months to get graphic novels of Eyeshield 21, Bleach, and The Prince of Tennis on top of waiting for One Piece, Naruto, and Hikaru no Go.

Now, if the American publication of Shonen Jump were weekly, I would support more titles being ran in it, and I would definitely be one of the first to subscribe. Shame such a format isn't possible quite yet.
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Godaistudios



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:35 pm Reply with quote
GoodLuckSaturday wrote:
I dislike the wait for new graphic novels of those that run in the magazine. It sucks that the actual magazine isn't as superb as it deserves to be, but in its current format and content, I enjoy the setup.

Now, if the American publication of Shonen Jump were weekly, I would support more titles being ran in it, and I would definitely be one of the first to subscribe. Shame such a format isn't possible quite yet.


On both of those points I must can agree. If SJ USA were weekly, I'd be happy to subscribe. Its current release schedule leaves me unimpressed, and I'd be frustrated instead of expectant, knowing that the releases are taking four times as long as it does in Japan.
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Onmyoji



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:16 am Reply with quote
I don't think the graphic novels sell better than the manga but they do sell very well, especially Rurouni Kenshin. The manga sold so well it now has a new volume every month. The reason they probably took out DBZ was because the DBZ graphic novels usually sell pretty well to, and it not as big a draw to the magazine as it use to be. I mean Goku use to be on the cover just about every issue, now Yu-Gi-Oh is taking up cover space. The problem is most of the novels serialized in the magazine sell extremely well when they come out in graphic novel form. But if they were to take out such titles as Naruto and Shaman King from the magazine to produce the graphic novels at a greater pace the magazine might not sell as well. And if the produce the novels of the titles faster while keeping them in the magazine, who would buy the magazine when the already have the graphic novel, that may cost more but come with ten times as many chapters.
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utawoutau



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:29 am Reply with quote
GoodLuckSaturday wrote:
If SJ USA were weekly, I'd be happy to subscribe. Its current release schedule leaves me unimpressed, and I'd be frustrated instead of expectant, knowing that the releases are taking four times as long as it does in Japan.


It isn't technically four times as long, because each issue of U.S. Jump has two installments of each series. So, "twice as long" would be a better estimate.
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Godaistudios



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 8:48 am Reply with quote
utawoutau wrote:
GoodLuckSaturday wrote:
If SJ USA were weekly, I'd be happy to subscribe. Its current release schedule leaves me unimpressed, and I'd be frustrated instead of expectant, knowing that the releases are taking four times as long as it does in Japan.


It isn't technically four times as long, because each issue of U.S. Jump has two installments of each series. So, "twice as long" would be a better estimate.


...blinks...

Make sure you know whom you are quoting.

Even if two installments are done, I'd still be bothered by that. After all, it still means that a long ongoing series is getting that much further ahead. A series that takes 6 years instead of 3 years to finish? No thanks.
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Kagemusha



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:58 pm Reply with quote
The schedule of SJ is certainly problematic. I'm not really against a monthly magazine, but they need to make good choices on what to include in it. Most of PULP's matterial was pretty short and had more emphisas on individual chapters. Since everything currently in SJ is long and is told in the massivly deconstructed manner, a couple of chapters a month isn't very compelling. I wouldn't subscribe even if it was weekly though, as I'm only a casual fan of a few of the series. On top of the fact that you have to wait 4-5 months for a new volume of matterial, the trade quality is mediocre, which is kind of a slap in the face to the fans (especially since Viz pumped out very high quality trades of Vagabond monthy for the better part of 2004).
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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:43 am Reply with quote
Like people have said, it's mainly because of the monthly pace Shonen Jump here is released at. Nobody who is a fan of a series wants to wait 4-6 months here for a Naruto graphic novel when Japan is releasing them every two months, and they're over 20 novels ahead of us and that's increasing. Because of this, and because I'm such a huge Bleach fan, I'm greatful they're leaving some titles out of the mag. Besides, they're releasing old SJ titles, and have a large line of other titles that wouldn't fit in the mag if they were to put it in there. If you wanted more titles, that means the current titles would be reduced to only one chapter a month, and then the GNs would come out even slower. No thanks.
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nakama



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:55 am Reply with quote
at the rate SJ USA is going shaman king will end in 7 years

they need to get rid of the magazine and focus on the GN,s

i give shaman king as a example because it has ended in the uk and so the -dreadfull- us dub will end as well so enough
so by then pepole will want to see the proper ending (which is in volume 32)
any one who is interested in shaman king now will most likely not care enough by then think about it, by then the kids will be teens and the teens will be adults and then you will see a lot of these SJ mangas in the mag will get the same effect

i mean shaman king ended in japan so they could go monthley with it

but it has 32 volumes and only 7 have come out in the past 2 or so years so they better start now
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bahamut623



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:02 pm Reply with quote
The shonen jump rate is just no good. Most of these series will end in about 6-7 years the way they're going. Say a series is 200 chapters (random number). 3 chapters(if you're lucky) a month makes 36 a year. Which would make it end in about 5 years(not too bad, since in japan they last about 4ish). Unless your doing two a month, which is the number for most of them, its 24 chapters a year, ending in about 8 years. Not good. I probably will stop being a fan of those manga by then(im not a huge fan to begin with), and will have seen the anime for each on cartoon network a million times over. The graphic novel method is just more practical. I would burst into tears if Bleach were in SJ.
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bahamut623



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:08 pm Reply with quote
double post, sorry Embarassed
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Dranxis



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:19 am Reply with quote
I agree, the rates are juist ridiculous as they are. We can only hope that SJ eventually issues 4 chapters a month, and that would bring the GN's to a regular schedule, about 2 and a half months per volume. My friend is sick and tired of waiting for Naruto, and has simply decided just to watch the anime once it comes out.
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darkhunter



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:07 pm Reply with quote
Well it's nice that they can slow down One Piece and Naruto, therefore, I wouldn't blow all money so fast on these two title. The points is, I'm glad some manga arn't coming out as fast because I wouldn't have enough money to get all the ones I wanted. I do wish some manga would come out faster, but the one in SJ arn't that great either.

Really enjoyiing the Kenshin manga though. On a side note, Sashiro is really bald but when he has his bandage on, it seem like he has hair sticking out.


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