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Mugen1style
Posts: 281 Location: North of the wall |
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I have noticed alot of negitive posts on these two shows. I am wondering why people seem to think it sucked I realy liked Zeta Gundam alot. I have not watched Double Zeta yet, as I can not read very fast, and I dont beleive in ripping the artist off (fan sub).
I don't know any thing about D.Z. Gundam exept that it is a sequell to Zeta Gundam. Also I thought G gundam was a good show, is my taste in anime suck or something? My collection is in the public list if any one wants to see it. 
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GospelX
Posts: 185 Location: Ann Arbor, MI |
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Zeta is superb. As for ZZ, it won't be worth it to basically anyone by the time it gets released over here. No one will want to pay for that shit. It is seriously painful to watch.
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Kruszer
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Zeta was a good show, I don't know why people wouldn't like it unless they have ADD and don't have the attention span for it, or don't like the older annimation.
I would have suggested that maybe they aren't a fan of mecha shows but you pretty much have to go out your way to see the show as the LE set is rare and expensive, so that throws that possibillity out the window. |
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HitokiriShadow
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The only negative things I've heard about Zeta is about how Bandai handled the box set release in the U.S. I haven't heard anyone say anything bad about the actual show.
For ZZ, I haven't seen it myself, but I've heard that the first 20 or so episodes are terrible (something about the Moon Moon people) but that it gets MUCH better in the second half. |
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Nagisa
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I wanna know where you're going that's got people hating on Zeta Gundam. That one's almost universally regarded by Gundam fans as being the absolute best of the lot (and if you ask me, for very good reason). I mean, unless you're talking to a bunch of 13-year old Wing fangirls or something. As for Double Zeta though, that I can see. Thing about Double Zeta is, Tomino was kiiiinda nutty back in the 80s, mainly on the level of being pretty manic depressive if I remember right (or at least having some heavy-duty mood swings). He also tends to be very dissatisfied with shows after they're produced. So once the dark, grim Zeta Gundam ended, he began regretting some of the stuff he did in it, and decided he would "lighten the mood" with Double Zeta and cheer everyone up. The result was that the first half of the series was full of pretty cheesy comedy moments that earned the widespread scorn of a lot of longtime fans. Now, the second half of Double Zeta starts to drift back to the style of writing seen in Zeta (Tomino mood swung back over to gloomy or enough fans complained or something, or both, also it was decided the series would become a lead-in to Char's Counterattack and was apparently adjusted accordingly), but by then the show was already pretty much an eternal point of infamy for the franchise as a whole.
Actually, no. While a lot of casual fans tend to readily dismiss it, I find that G Gundam is generally well-loved among the Gundam fandom, as well as people who were open-minded enough to actually give it a chance beyond a couple episodes. The concept is a bit cheesy, yes, but the show does feature some very solid characters and some deceptively nice writing the further into it you get. The action's pretty nifty, too, once you get used to the style. |
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Deltakiral
 Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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I have not finished this series yet, but I would have to agree with you Zeta is the best UC series by far. The best gundam series of all time....well let me finish it and then I will tell ya what I think.
Easy there no need to go off on the fanboy and girls of america, just kidding. You make an interesting point Gundam Wing fans are often very narrow minded about the best series, which they believe is GW.
G Gundam is extremely cheesy and yes the whole prinicipal of this show really didn't make a whole lot of sense but oh well. The characters are alright I would say at best, and the action is the entire show in my opinion. Also by casual fans do you mean those who know the UC, or those who are Wing boy and girls? From what I understood Gundam Wing fans generally enjoy this show, the idea is simple and most importantly it has nothing to do with the UC. Till next time, Delta Kiral |
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zaphdash
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If you thought action was the entire show, you clearly missed a lot. There's a reason the show continued on beyond the end of the Gundam Fight. Domon's relationship with Rain was the entire show. The Gundam Fight and even the Devil Gundam itself served merely as devices to bring them together. The characters and relationships in G Gundam are probably among the most realistic and most easily-relatable in all of Gundam, even if the show itself was set in a very unrealistic world. |
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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That is of course very true that Domon and Rain relationships was most realistic in terms of gundam world or whatever you want to call it. My whole problem was this world that was presented to me was so unbelieveable and so hard to really enjoy. Not only that the obvious cliche such the mystery german gundam pilot may this show so very easy to read. Yes we all knew that somehow in the Domon would get the girl, but think back to the final battle when they unleashes burning love attack. I mean, that was just bad. But overall the underling themes (friends, love, hope) of this series were important, and unfortunely will not be remember. Till next time, Delta Kiral |
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Nagisa
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Posts: 6128 Location: Atlanta-ish, Jawjuh |
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By "casual fans," I mean the average anime viewers in general. I find these types are rather fickle, and will toss something aside if it doesn't have their 2-second attention span in half that time. These types just lacked the patience to really give G Gundam a chance, and as a result it ends up being one of the three big, undeserving "black sheep" of Gundam alongside X & Turn-A. |
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Mugen1style
Posts: 281 Location: North of the wall |
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This is exactly the type of info I wanted. As far as where I heard that ZZ sucked was partly my misinterpitation of posts maid by Nagisa and others in old threads. Nagisa had said stuff about ZZ's 1st half and at the time I had not read other post's by said author. I went back over a year and read all posts concerning "Gundam" and discovered the whole picture. I also had heard from a bunch of store clerks and some kid's/other instore anime buyer's. I am older and none of my freinds dig anime. Having said that my freinds don't think less of me because I do. I also should add this is the first fourm I have ever been on , and I am not up to speed quite yet with proper educate. I can't wait I hope they release ZZ in the US. Thank' s to every one who responded
P.S. I am not trying to single out Nagisa. I just remember that name. |
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Starwind Amada
Posts: 981 Location: Easton, PA, USA |
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Releasing something as limited edition isn't wrong. I don't see why everyone is saying Bandai didn't handle Zeta's release correctly. If you didn't get a box, tough. It's your own fault. |
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ParaParaJMo
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Not only is Z Gundam my favorite Gundam series of them all, but my all time favorite anime. Super awesome story, realistic characters with ideals, superb mech designs, and breath taking battles.
Victory Gundam was a good series in my opinion, but I kind of felt the way the series went, Double Zeta should have been this series instead since it still has a dark feel to it like how the original Zeta series had. Gundam X is a great series with so much potential. I hope one day the producers will give this series another chance or do more with it. Or some manga can be made with it to expand. |
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Tony K.
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As if there were many anime out there with believeable worlds in the first place  .
The world of G Gundam reminds me of any typical Gundam series, where nations or other established powers are at war to determine who's right in what they believe or to achieve whatever goals they have. The only big difference between G Gundam and any of the UC, AC, and other timelines is the way they carry out battles, which I found to be refreshing.
That's actually what I remember the most. I like to think of G Gundam as a shounen series, a la Naruto, Kenshin, and so on, more so than an actual Gundam series. As was pointed out, this show has a lot of those elements that can easily be seen in a lot of shounen titles (friendship, love, overcoming adversity). And while I wouldn't say it's nearly as in depth and enjoyable as the other titles I mentioned, I still think having the whole Gundam theme in the mix was a good element to share a bit of both worlds and make the overall experience a pretty good one (for me, anyway  ).
EDIT: Corrected a typo. Last edited by Tony K. on Sat Sep 03, 2005 3:52 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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zaphdash
Posts: 620 Location: Brooklyn |
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How can you even watch anime if you can't enjoy unbelievable worlds?
But you're worrying too much about something that doesn't matter. No, it wasn't a surprise at all when Schwarz finally revealed his identity, but it wasn't supposed to be a surprise for the viewer. It was, like the Gundam Fight and Devil Gundam, just a plot device to fuel character interaction. G Gundam isn't traditionally thought of as a "dark" show, but I've seen Zeta and I've seen Victory and neither one of those shows has any scene as sad as what Domon goes through in episodes 44 and 45 of G Gundam (although Victory comes close a couple of times), and that's because G's cast and its universal themes are easy to relate to, while I can't really sympathize with Kamille or Usso, teenage soldiers struggling to cope with the horrors of warfare. I suppose it's really just a matter of opinion, but it sounds like you're doing your best not to give G Gundam its fair credit.
So? Sure, it was a little cheesy, but does that ruin the show? Does that mean that the characters, by your own admission the most realistically-portrayed people in the Gundam franchise, aren't very good after all?
Perhaps not remembered by you, but those are the things that endeared G Gundam to everyone who gave it a fair chance, watched it with an open mind, and realized that it's actually a very good show. |
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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[quote="zaphdash"]So? Sure, it was a little cheesy, but does that ruin the show? Does that mean that the characters, by your own admission the most realistically-portrayed people in the Gundam franchise, aren't very good after all?[.quote]No it doesn't ruin the show completely. When Domon and Rain finally reunited and basically told one another their feeling, I was trully happy, and enjoy the show. I just felt that it was wrong for them to do the cheesy attack.
Till next time, Delta Kiral |
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