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REVIEW: Sharing A House With The Never-Ending Man: 15 Years At Studio Ghibli




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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:27 am Reply with quote
Wow this sounds FASCINATING! I'd love to see it adapted into a documentary. And I can already agree, no mention of Takahata is criminal.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 11:36 am Reply with quote
"The monstrous Harvey Weinstein" is right. Even without bringing up #MeToo, it sounds like he was an absolute control freak with little to no respect for Ghibli's original vision, and I'm sure that was indeed the case. Good thing Ghibli sent him the famous katana with the "no cuts" message (which I'm disappointed didn't make it into the review) to shut him up about bastardizing Mononoke for American audiences for good.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:33 pm Reply with quote
Ooh, I'm going to have to check this book out,

And yeah, screw Weinstein and that racist journalist who probably doesn't know what good movie making/storytelling is if it bit him in the ass.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 2:30 pm Reply with quote
Interesting. I still feel that the atmosphere of Disney buying Ghibli just to bury them is overblown, but I agree that they seem uncertain of how to market the movies properly. When it comes to the dubs, though, I can never say anything bad about them. They're as good as they can get. I do, however, feel that Harvey Weinstein was totally wrong about wanting Mononoke cut down and for adding in sound effects to that movie. Mononoke worked beautifully as it was.

With Kiki, I'm a bit torn. I loved the VHS dub when I was a kid and I still do, but I had always believed that the changes made to that dub were done with Ghibli's approval. Apparently the issue is more complicated than that, but nothing can change my love for that particular dub, as its changes, to me, in no way inhibit the film's entertainment value. At least with Castle in the Sky, Ghibli themselves did the rescore, and with Miyazaki's blessing, too, and so I stand up for that particular dub because of that.

Still it sounds like this issue is much more complex than both extremes lay on. To hear it told from Alpert's point of view is interesting no matter what.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 3:51 pm Reply with quote
Sailor Sedna wrote:
Ooh, I'm going to have to check this book out,

And yeah, screw Weinstein and that racist journalist who probably doesn't know what good movie making/storytelling is if it bit him in the ass.


I agree. I remember before a guitar lesson when Mononoke came out that parents were upset that it wasn't a fluffy animal movie. The poster they showed that was promoting it had her next to one of the wolves with blood on her mouth. I was a kid back then and even I knew there would have been no way my mom would take me to that. But, a few years later I got it on DVD(which I still have) and loved it.

Reading the review made me realize again that no one in Hollywood didn't get it. You can tell a scene with no sound, the whole movie doesn't need something going on all the time. Sometimes just let the audience sit, absorb what happened for a few moments then continue.

I take critics' reviews with a grain of salt. I'll develop my own opinion when I see a movie.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:33 pm Reply with quote
The only dub change I ever objected to in any of the Disney Ghibli dubs was that Ponyo rap remix. That was the only audio change I seriously feel that was totally awful on Disney's part, and it does baffle me Ghibli signed off on that. At least the Kiki and Laputa music changes never delved into that territory. Sure, they were a bit more on the nose at times, but they were pretty music pieces at best. They were never the obnoxious rapping bit that the Ponyo ending song atrocity was.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:09 am Reply with quote
enurtsol, you cannot just copy-paste another website's content here. Either comment on the actual content or move on.
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Gonbawa



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:15 pm Reply with quote
After Kaze no tani no Nausicaä became the butchered disaster called "Warrior of the wind" in the States, it's only natural for a totally furious Miyazaki to not wanting to have anymore deals with USA. After Suzuki forced the deal with Disney to him, I'm pretty sure that Miyazaki made Mononoke Hime full of blood and flying severed heads just to annoy Disney and punish Suzuki.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:21 pm Reply with quote
Sorry, but I seriously refuse to believe that Miyazaki purposely made Mononoke violent for that reason. He had a story he wanted to tell, and I'm sure that revenge was the last thing on his mind. Sure, I agree with him over expressing disapproval over "Warriors of the Wind", but making Mononoke violent just to get back at Suzuki and Disney? That doesn't seem like something he would do.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:52 pm Reply with quote
TurnerJ wrote:
Sorry, but I seriously refuse to believe that Miyazaki purposely made Mononoke violent for that reason. He had a story he wanted to tell, and I'm sure that revenge was the last thing on his mind. Sure, I agree with him over expressing disapproval over "Warriors of the Wind", but making Mononoke violent just to get back at Suzuki and Disney? That doesn't seem like something he would do.


Yeah, that’s nonsense and the creation process of Mononoke is well-documented, including the reason for the graphic violence. Should be in "Turning Point 1997~2008" among others which is available in English.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 2:03 pm Reply with quote
The issue is always much more gray than it appears. Flawed as Disney was, there is something to be said about their hesitation with Princess Mononoke. That film would have been a tough sell for America either way. I don't think audiences here were ready for that movie. Of course I am in no way siding with Weinstein; I for one oppose his behavior in both the situation involving this film and with others he caused misery to. I agree with Miyazaki's decision to send the katana with the words "No cuts." Otherwise we wouldn't have gotten the fantastic dub for that film that we have (God bless Neil Gaiman). But given that America's impressions for animation at the time were mostly Disney/kiddie fare, of course it would have been difficult for them to gravitate toward this film.

But all that of course is history. Today Princess Mononoke is universally praised and has been a consistent best seller on DVD and BD. Screenings in America by GKIDS are constantly popular. Rocky as its road to classic status may have been in America, there's always a saying that great films ahead of their time take awhile to find their audience. But that it has is a true testament to its greatness as a film regardless of what happened behind the scenes.
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