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JohnHawk
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 Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:07 pm
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I refuse to believe Netflix shows have bigger budgets than the average programming when half of them are cg that looks like total shit
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CrypticPurpose
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:14 pm
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| JohnHawk wrote: | | I refuse to believe Netflix shows have bigger budgets than the average programming when half of them are cg that looks like total shit |
...did you read the article? They specifically said that none of that extra money actually makes it to the production level - it all gets absorbed by general operations, so the larger budget ends up having close to zero impact on final quality.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:21 pm
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| Quote: | | "It's like if it rains in a desert. It gets swallowed by the sand, and it's not enough to make plants grow." |
So until things are out of the red, nothing will change. And I'm sceptical that it will even after/if that ever happens.
| JohnHawk wrote: | | I refuse to believe Netflix shows have bigger budgets than the average programming when half of them are cg that looks like total shit |
An offensively ugly looking cg Anime still costs a lot of money.
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Actar
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:23 pm
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Everyone says to support streaming services to support the anime companies. Does any of the money even reach them?
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Piexouar
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:27 pm
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*Pretends to be shocked*
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Erufailon4
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:41 pm
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| Actar wrote: | | Everyone says to support streaming services to support the anime companies. Does any of the money even reach them? |
The money goes to the companies that fund the shows in the first place, but not the animation studio unless they're one of the funders. So it kinda depends on your definition of "anime company".
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Kougeru
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:13 pm
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| Actar wrote: | | Everyone says to support streaming services to support the anime companies. Does any of the money even reach them? |
at this point the only way I can find to support a company directly is to send them a check in the mail or buy company-specific merchandise but the only company I know that does international sales of such merchandise is Kyoani since they own most their licenses.
I'm not really in shock by this news and I hope stuff like this pushed companies away from Netflix. They're not a good company. Sure they get more exposure to casuals but that's about it... No casual subs to Netflix specifically for said anime, it's usually "I have Netflix already so I'll try this show"
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Ryuji-Dono
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:55 pm
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| Kougeru wrote: |
| Actar wrote: | | Everyone says to support streaming services to support the anime companies. Does any of the money even reach them? |
at this point the only way I can find to support a company directly is to send them a check in the mail or buy company-specific merchandise but the only company I know that does international sales of such merchandise is Kyoani since they own most their licenses.
I'm not really in shock by this news and I hope stuff like this pushed companies away from Netflix. They're not a good company. Sure they get more exposure to casuals but that's about it... No casual subs to Netflix specifically for said anime, it's usually "I have Netflix already so I'll try this show" |
So, move to Crunchyroll or FUNimation instead? I want to know because I'm referring if you were speaking objectively.
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:18 pm
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In conclusion, chasing the overseas markets has done jack to help animators. This experiment is a huge failure for all but those on top and they are back to square one. So not even this choice is screwing over the industry in more ways than one, the animators aren't even benefiting from overseas money, animators that NEED the money the most.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:31 pm
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| Kougeru wrote: |
| Actar wrote: | | Everyone says to support streaming services to support the anime companies. Does any of the money even reach them? |
at this point the only way I can find to support a company directly is to send them a check in the mail or buy company-specific merchandise but the only company I know that does international sales of such merchandise is Kyoani since they own most their licenses. |
Trigger also have an online store, I got the first Little Witch Academia film from there .
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KefkaesqueXIII
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:06 pm
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| MarshalBanana wrote: |
| Kougeru wrote: |
| Actar wrote: | | Everyone says to support streaming services to support the anime companies. Does any of the money even reach them? |
at this point the only way I can find to support a company directly is to send them a check in the mail or buy company-specific merchandise but the only company I know that does international sales of such merchandise is Kyoani since they own most their licenses. |
Trigger also have an online store, I got the first Little Witch Academia film from there . |
Trigger also has their own Patreon page, for that matter.
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lossthief
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:15 pm
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| Ryuji-Dono wrote: | |
So, move to Crunchyroll or FUNimation instead? I want to know because I'm referring if you were speaking objectively. |
On a purely business level there's not much any given consumer can do to impact change within the current system. So long as animators are largely freelance workers and anime studios work on pre-budgeted contracts, the success or failure of anything besides the rare original work that has the studio on the production committee is irrelevant to how much the animators get paid. In the same way buying from a particular retail store won't have any effect on that store's employees getting paid, there's just not an avenue for consumption as advocacy. Any change will have to come in the form of more direct activism, either via animators unionizing, broader cultural change within the industry that better values the most essential workers in it, or legal reform to increase pay and working conditions.
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ZiharkXVI
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:19 pm
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Its not surprising, but disappointing given the fact that the animation is often the best part of any Netflix anime (minus some of the 3d garbage - although I suspect that it still was very difficult work even if the product isn't attractive). The general quality of any Netflix anime in other areas (story, characters, flow, etc.) is sorely lacking.
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Яeverse
Joined: 16 Jun 2014
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:21 pm
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| JohnHawk wrote: | | I refuse to believe Netflix shows have bigger budgets than the average programming when half of them are cg that looks like total shit |
I never understood how increasing budget increases how good an anime looks. Paying an artist more money doesnt mean their artwork will exponentially increase in looks. At some point time and skill become the more limiting factors.
Also CG should be expensive...software licenses for commercial purposes are expensive, add on packages are expensive, modifying software, hardware, training and service contracts are expensive. I was sure companies complained about remotevanime work beimg expensive because of buying More licenses.
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Lord Vaultman
Joined: 03 Mar 2017
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:22 pm
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| JohnHawk wrote: | | I refuse to believe Netflix shows have bigger budgets than the average programming when half of them are cg that looks like total shit |
Oh it happens to non 3d shows as well. Netflix stealing season 2 rights for adventures of saiki k from funimation is a prime example. Same with teasing takagi san season 2
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